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posted on Dec, 7 2012 @ 08:00 AM
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Yet more ignorance that proves that the GOP is a party of unrealistic dreamers that went on a long, strange trip and never returned.

Maybe if for once, its' supporters would wake up and smell the bacon, they would actually make headway in this country.

The Republicans in the House are not mentally fit (Tea Party variety) and the Supreme Court is full of dinosaurs.

How is that progress?




posted on Dec, 7 2012 @ 08:09 AM
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Originally posted by kaylaluv

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
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It would be none too soon to stop funding the indoctrination of the children and youth with secular humanism and a godless society with godless moral relativity. I'm all for defunding this monstrostiy. At least they should go back to the real basics instead of all that crazy values clarification and behavior modification.
We need real change in the education system, not just throwing more money into nutty programs that have nothing to do with preparing the children for practical life and helping them think for themselves. Thanks to John Dewey, a humanist who was a signer of the Humanist Manifesto and a big proponent of Statism, our children are brainwashed to become mere cogs in the centralized Supreme State.


Well, that's one thing we can agree on - we do need change in the public education system. We need to stop teaching children to simply memorize, and we need to start teaching children critical thinking skills.

HOWEVER, bringing God into the public education system is HUGE mistake. The last thing we need is a Taliban-like government, and a Taliban-like public school system - deciding who and what God is and what this God wants. Talk about brainwashing children... to become mere cogs in the Christian Right State.


You're more right than you may even know.

The result for the OECD tests, which the US always competes in, from the first year China was allowed to sit the tests, are startling:


Out of 34 countries, the U.S. ranked 14th in reading, 17th in science and 25th in math.


Between 1995 and 2008, for example, the United States slipped from ranking second in college graduation rates to 13th, according to the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development, the Paris-based organization that develops and administers the PISA exam. Of 34 OECD countries, only 8 have a lower high school graduation rate.


www.msnbc.msn.com...

In first place were the godless heathens, the Chinese.

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posted on Dec, 7 2012 @ 08:12 AM
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Originally posted by Deetermined
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In four years time, when the GOP loses another Presidential election, look back at this Santorum nonsense and remember that it's the party, and it's fringe supporters, that are destroying it. This is suicide...


Really? Most of you want a government on top of a government?

I can sympathize with those who think we need a new party system, but do you really think that answering to the U.N. in every area of life is the answer? You do realize that this treaty would create more bureaucracy in which the U.S. would have to report to a U.N. committee on everything we're doing to uphold this treaty, right?


Turn off Rush Limbaugh and do a tiny bit of research... what you've just said is completely divorced from reality...



posted on Dec, 7 2012 @ 08:14 AM
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And your proof of that is what?



posted on Dec, 7 2012 @ 08:26 AM
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Originally posted by Deetermined
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And your proof of that is what?


Facts.

The treaty could not be used in court cases. So no answering to the UN.

The treaty was based on EXISTING US laws, so, no changes.

The treaty was backed by everyone on the right, except the lunatic fringe.

The treaty was derided, by the same tea party nut, as being too far reaching AND having no enforcement mechanism.

Read that again slowly.

So, it wouldn't change US law.

It couldn't be used in our courts.

It's based on existing US law.


You're completely divorced from reality.


Writing for World Net Daily [of course] on Monday, Santorum said the treaty had "darker and more troubling implications" and suggested that it would have meant the forced abortion his daughter because she has a rare genetic disorder.

“In the case of our 4-year-old daughter, Bella, who has Trisomy 18, a condition that the medical literature says is ‘incompatible with life,’ would her ‘best interest’ be that she be allowed to die?” he asked. “Some would undoubtedly say so.”

Conservative activist Phyllis Schlafly also warned in November that proponents were "using this treaty as an opportunity to promote their abortion agenda."

Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), who suffered disabilities while fighting in Vietnam, insisted that that the treaty would have no effect on abortion laws in the United States.

"With respect to abortion, this is a disabilities treaty and has nothing to do with abortion," McCain told his Republican colleagues in a Monday speech on the Senate floor. “Trying to turn this into an abortion debate is bad politics and just wrong.”


videocafe.crooksandliars.com...
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posted on Dec, 7 2012 @ 08:38 AM
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You must not have understood what I said.


Different treaties may also create different treaty body regimes to encourage the parties to abide by their obligations and undertake actions required for compliance. For instance, the Human Rights Committee monitors the implementation of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights; the Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination monitors implementation of the International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination; and the Committee against Torture monitors implementation of the Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment.


treaties.un.org...

Where is your proof that we won't have to submit reports showing what we do on a continual basis to adhere to compliance?

Where's your proof that we're not required to be monitored?

If there's no monitoring of the treaty or compliance reports required, what's the point of the treaty to begin with?



posted on Dec, 7 2012 @ 08:48 AM
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Originally posted by Deetermined
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You must not have understood what I said.


Different treaties may also create different treaty body regimes to encourage the parties to abide by their obligations and undertake actions required for compliance. For instance, the Human Rights Committee monitors the implementation of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights; the Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination monitors implementation of the International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination; and the Committee against Torture monitors implementation of the Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment.


treaties.un.org...

Where is your proof that we won't have to submit reports showing what we do on a continual basis to adhere to compliance?

Where's your proof that we're not required to be monitored?

If there's no monitoring of the treaty or compliance reports required, what's the point of the treaty to begin with?



Again, your paranoia and ignorance is writ large.

UN treaties are not mandatory or legally binding without the ascent of the US governement.

The UN can't FORCE the US to do anything in within the US.

If we AGREE to do something, then that's OUR choice.

You're just wildly misinformed, because you are getting your info from idiotic and inflammatory sources, mostly right-wing political propagandists.

And guess what the outcome is...?

You believe a lot of BS propaganda.



posted on Dec, 7 2012 @ 08:51 AM
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So, in other words, you just want to force U.S. laws on every member country of the U.N.


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posted on Dec, 7 2012 @ 08:54 AM
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Is not about parties, that is the propaganda been fed from the elite running the nation to the sleeping and stupefied American tax payers and voters, is all one big pot, in which one group rule

Democrap, Republirats, is all one and the same, when Americans wake up to that realization that is not party division but those fed by propaganda it going to be too late, actually is too late already

People in this nation have it so wrong

Propaganda really works.



posted on Dec, 7 2012 @ 09:05 AM
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Originally posted by marg6043
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Is not about parties, that is the propaganda been fed from the elite running the nation to the sleeping and stupefied American tax payers and voters, is all one big pot, in which one group rule

Democrap, Republirats, is all one and the same, when Americans wake up to that realization that is not party division but those fed by propaganda it going to be too late, actually is too late already

People in this nation have it so wrong

Propaganda really works.


No.

That's obviously not true.

You may think they both suck, and by and large they do, but that's NOT the same thing as saying they are the same.

Would Gore have invaded Iraq?

Would Gore have inacted the Bush Tax Cuts?

Would Romney be more likely to invade Iran?

And on and on.

Similar is no the same as identical. Calling them identical is just a cop out.



posted on Dec, 7 2012 @ 09:13 AM
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UN is nothing without the US, another thing that people got wrong since the piece of crap Leon Pannetta hinted to the stupefied masses that the UN runs the US and the conspiracy began and people bought into the propaganda.

Reality Check.

US runs the UN since its beginnings in 1945, US has never made hide the fact that is the biggest contributor of the UN, but what is keeps secret is how much money it funds to all the entities to the UN, this makes the UN nothing but an entity run by the US.

So when you see rules and regulations coming from the UN be assure that is nothing but crap coming from the powers running the US government no the UN


The source and amounts of all U.S. funding to the myriad number of organizations affiliated with the United Nations are difficult to track accurately. This difficulty prompted Congress to pass legislation requiring the Administration to report annually on U.S. contributions to the U.N. A recent report to Congress by the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) on all U.S. funding to the U.N. system revealed that U.S. contributions to the U.N. system reached record levels in fiscal year (FY) 2009.[1]


I guess when the crap call Pannetta fueled the conspiracy against the UN running the US he forgot to said that money talks and crap walks and US crap is the one walking all over the UN and no the other way around



Propaganda really really works


The U.S. has been the largest financial supporter of the U.N. since the organization’s founding in 1945. The U.S. is currently assessed 22 percent of the U.N. regular budget and more than 27 percent of the U.N. peacekeeping budget. In dollar terms, the Administration’s budget for FY 2011 requested $516.3 million for the U.N. regular budget and more than $2.182 billion for the peacekeeping budget.[2]

However, the U.S. also provides assessed financial contributions to other U.N. organizations and voluntary contributions to many more U.N. organizations. According to OMB, total U.S. contributions to the U.N. system were more than $6.347 billion in FY 2009.[3] This is more than $1 billion more than total contributions as compiled by OMB for FY 2005,[4] and it is indicative of the rising budgetary trends in the U.N. and the consequential demand on U.S. financial support.


Actually with all the crafty ways to fund the UN with Americas tax payer dollars is not wonder that we all own the darn entity



For instance, the U.S. Department of Agriculture provides funding to the Food and Agriculture Organization, the Department of Energy provides funds to the International Atomic Energy Agency, and the Department of Health and Human Services provides funds to UNICEF. The State Department had no authority to require other departments to report these funding activities; therefore, estimates by the State Department on U.S. funding of the U.N. system generally failed to take them into account.


So who's your daddy UN?


www.heritage.org...

So at the end of business is not who how the UN policies affects the US is how US policies runs the UN

Wake up people.



posted on Dec, 7 2012 @ 09:17 AM
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The invasion and control of the middle east resources has been an agenda way before you can even dream about the Geopolitical wars has been concocted for decades, research and learn, because the truth about what our nations elite corporate dictatorship is doing is there you just have to find it.

Is not such thing as division of parties the plans of those that run this nation is beyond any of them

learn and open you eyes.




posted on Dec, 7 2012 @ 09:18 AM
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Yet you're own link says...


The new poll found that, by 46 percent to 30 percent, more favor cutting government services to raising taxes to tackle budget deficits. That sentiment echoes the view of the GOP, which has emphasized spending cuts during four years of budget battles with Obama.


www.huffingtonpost.com...



posted on Dec, 7 2012 @ 09:23 AM
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Originally posted by Deetermined
Yet you're own link says...


The new poll found that, by 46 percent to 30 percent, more favor cutting government services to raising taxes to tackle budget deficits. That sentiment echoes the view of the GOP, which has emphasized spending cuts during four years of budget battles with Obama.


www.huffingtonpost.com...


Very very selective copying and pasting eh?

You somehow missed this:


There's also a reluctance to trim Social Security, Medicare or defense programs, three of the biggest drivers of federal spending, the survey released Wednesday found.


People WANT to cut, who doesn't, but they DON'T want to cut from the biggest parts of the pie...

So... yeah, try not just selectively projecting onto things...



posted on Dec, 7 2012 @ 09:29 AM
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People WANT to cut, who doesn't, but they DON'T want to cut from the biggest parts of the pie...


You mean the ones that are unsustainable to begin with?

Does anyone really think that over the next 10 years that we'll have enough people working and earning enough to even cover those drawing Social Security or Medicare without reform?



posted on Dec, 7 2012 @ 09:34 AM
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Originally posted by Deetermined
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People WANT to cut, who doesn't, but they DON'T want to cut from the biggest parts of the pie...


You mean the ones that are unsustainable to begin with?

Does anyone really think that over the next 10 years that we'll have enough people working and earning enough to even cover those drawing Social Security or Medicare without reform?


Oh, no one's saying it's rational, but the GOP solution of cutting AS MUCH as would be cut by the fiscal cliff is frankly suicidal.

The US system needs real reform, but reform by people who like the system, not by people who hate it and want to destroy it.

People want and deserve Medicare. Let's protect it in sensible ways. People want and deserve good healthcare. Let's fix the system so we provide good healthcare. If the French are clever enough to do it, certainly the Americans should be.

And they could.

But.

There's a huge group of politicians who are ideologues. People who say insane things like they will NEVER raise taxes. That's crazy talk.

Let reasonable adults find reasoned solutions. Don't let the talk-points set set the US agenda.



posted on Dec, 7 2012 @ 09:48 AM
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People want and deserve Medicare. Let's protect it in sensible ways. People want and deserve good healthcare. Let's fix the system so we provide good healthcare. If the French are clever enough to do it, certainly the Americans should be.


You think? France is charging workers 20% of their gross pay to cover their health care system.



posted on Dec, 7 2012 @ 09:50 AM
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More proof that the GOP is losing relevance.



By a huge 67 - 23 percent margin, voters oppose eliminating the home mortgage interest deduction, but strongly favor, 62 - 28 percent, limiting the deduction to the first $500,000 of mortgage debt. By 56 - 35 percent, voters favor eliminating that deduction for second homes.

Voters 65 - 31 percent support higher taxes on households making more than $250,000 per year, with 84 - 14 percent support from Democrats and 66 - 31 percent support from independent voters. Republicans are opposed 53 - 41 percent. [...]

American voters say 56 - 38 percent that Obama and congressional Democrats will make a good faith effort to cooperate with congressional Republicans on important issues. By 51 - 43 percent, voters say congressional Republicans will not act in good faith.


People don't trust republicans to not play games with the US economy, and for good reason.

www.quinnipiac.edu...



posted on Dec, 7 2012 @ 09:53 AM
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Originally posted by Deetermined
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People want and deserve Medicare. Let's protect it in sensible ways. People want and deserve good healthcare. Let's fix the system so we provide good healthcare. If the French are clever enough to do it, certainly the Americans should be.


You think? France is charging workers 20% of their gross pay to cover their health care system.


You should, again, do some basic research.

The French healthcare system covers the entire nation. It is well loved by the French and pretty much everyone.

It cost less, a lot less, per person to run than the US system.

It is endlessly less wasteful than the US system.

It's outcomes are better, across the board.



posted on Dec, 7 2012 @ 11:31 AM
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Show me the huge loss





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