The diminishing Republican brand. , page 6

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You read the stats your way and I read them mine. That's the joy and the strength of a free nation. Neither of us has the power or the right to force the views or system we believe may work best upon the other. The nation is as close to a 50/50 split as ever and so what holds here, holds nationally. Neither side has the true mandate or the force of numbers to force much of anything within the laws and system we have. So, cooperation isn't just a good idea, it's simply the only option that exists.

Originally posted by PvtHudson

Originally posted by interupt42

Originally posted by PvtHudson
Lets get a mass media complex that's dedicated to constantly demonizing and smearing the Democrats. We'll see how long it takes for them to become diminished.

You got that already. FOX news and all its talk show hosts blast the DEMS. On the left you have MSNBC and its cohorts blasting the Right.

Is an entertaining tennis match that leads to the same results year after year. The players change in the match but the owners of the tennis club stay the same and the spectators keep paying more regardless which player wins.

YOu left out ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, tax payer funded PBS & NPR, Hollywood, Comedy Central and dont even get me started on print media.

Take all those news sources and combine them together and maybe they can get half the viewer ship that Foxnews ,glenn beck, rush, and the drudgereport get.

The republicans lost because winning was not part of their goal or agenda in the first place it was not because the MSM didn't give them their 15 minutes of fame.

The only one that can claim a true MSM conspiracy is Ron Paul. He never even got his 15 minutes of fame from his own party.

Heck his own party threw him under the bus by saying he was unelectable despite having been voted into congress repeatedly by his home state for several decades?

They said his fan base were lunatic because they were so loyal and their aggressive grass roots efforts? Since when did it become a bad thing to have young and enthusiastic (younger and older) voters? Oh yeah, it became a bad thing when a true republican that wanted to shrink government who actually had a record to back it up started a movement and exposed the truth.

This is why Romney lost:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by PvtHudson

Originally posted by interupt42

Originally posted by PvtHudson
Lets get a mass media complex that's dedicated to constantly demonizing and smearing the Democrats. We'll see how long it takes for them to become diminished.

You got that already. FOX news and all its talk show hosts blast the DEMS. On the left you have MSNBC and its cohorts blasting the Right.

Is an entertaining tennis match that leads to the same results year after year. The players change in the match but the owners of the tennis club stay the same and the spectators keep paying more regardless which player wins.

YOu left out ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, tax payer funded PBS & NPR, Hollywood, Comedy Central and dont even get me started on print media.

Please, I implore you...stop listining to Rush and do some damn research.

Who owns the Media? For your information it's a bunch of corporations with predominately White Republican males on the board of directors.

here ya go......

stateofthemedia.org...

Besides the www. has taken over news disimination anyway. The TV is irrelevant.

If it bothers you so much why don't you start your own media empire. If Ted Turner can do it with his limited intellect; so can you.

One of the reasons the GOP lost this time is because most of the nation see them always pointing fingers, placing the blame on something else and not taking personal responsibility; which is what they claim they want others to do but they don't do it themselves. "We're not Obama" was one of the most idiotic platforms I've ever seen in my considerable years of watching American politics!!

The GOP can still be player in American politics if they would just stop with the whining, get a more reasonable approach to minorities and women. Without them the GOP is toast. Perhaps that's what they want....please pass the butter and the orange marmalade.....

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
reply to post by longlostbrother

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You read the stats your way and I read them mine. That's the joy and the strength of a free nation. Neither of us has the power or the right to force the views or system we believe may work best upon the other. The nation is as close to a 50/50 split as ever and so what holds here, holds nationally. Neither side has the true mandate or the force of numbers to force much of anything within the laws and system we have. So, cooperation isn't just a good idea, it's simply the only option that exists.

Show me one bit of evidence to back up your claim that Americans were consciously voting for Obama and voting for GOP candidates, to intentionally create some sort of "balance".

Because I has seen nothing to suggest this and you've offered no evidence, other than a claim, and you have a long history of spinning any and everything in a pro-GOP way.

It's fine to disagree, but you know, if you're gonna make claims, be able to back them up.

reply to post by longlostbrother

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Did you simply not look at the maps I posted on the previous page? Those are graphic representations of the County By County PRESIDENTIAL vote for the 2012 election for how each American county voted. Romney or Obama, Each red shape is a county for Romney. This is important because one may notice states like Pennsylvania and Florida among others who are overwhelmingly red.....voted overwhelmingly red for the House races in the 2012 election ...Yet carried for Obama.

Now, plainly stated, those are American states voting for Republican representation with a Democratic President. If you're suggesting we get all the way down to ballot by ballot, then I'd suggest that's pushing political division for the sheer sake of dividing Americans beyond extreme.

The outcome of the election is clear, and it's not in dispute. Half the House was up for reelection...and the map shows, by color, how many went for the Republican. ....This was absolutely a split government by the deliberate will of the American people. I just cannot see how someone can look at the raw data, which is pure math here, and argue numbers by saying they don't say what they say.

I know it just infuriates some to be reminded this wasn't absolute and unrestricted control of America...but the public has historically been wiser than that. Rarely has either side been granted that and it's almost always gone badly.

reply to post by longlostbrother

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nice unbiased media choices... but agree actually for a change, common sense seems to diminish yearly in American culture.

happens to the best of em...

reply to post by Wrabbit2000

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Well, you seem articulate and knowledgeable. To bad the GOP doesn't need anyone like you as evidenced by the absolute farce of a campaign. It's not gonna change either because the GOP hierarchy
has been taken over by the misogynous religious right and pointy headed intellectuals, like you,[Spiro Agnew reference] need not apply.

Rock.........hard place



good luck amigo, I don't see much hope for you as an academic either as the posted rules for TAs and grad students are just a fantasy in the dept. heads wet dream.

three fingered monkeys unite...

Originally posted by longlostbrother
A few more bits from the Founding Fathers:

“Another means of silently lessening the inequality of property is to exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the higher portions of property in geometrical progression as they rise.”

- Thomas Jefferson pushing for a 'progressive' tax system. And in fact the US passed its first progressive tax sceme in 1797 - what communists...

And what about the 1791 Whiskey Tax? A FEDERAL tax, which George "Mussolini Stalin Hitler" Washington FORCED people to pay WITH THE MILITARY. Some of those Tea Party "patriots" should make a time machine and go back and denouce that un-American jerk for what he is, a Communist.

en.wikipedia.org...

In fact, a Tea Partier did try and reference the Whiskey Rebellion - sadly he lied through his teeth about what happened... big surprise there..

Thanks for this. The Tea Party is moronic about the founding fathers being libertarians. This is completely not true, the constitution has a mandate for the government to run the post office and postal roads.

More anti-libertarian quotes from the founding fathers;

Thomas Jefferson on Intellectual Property rights;

It has been pretended by some, (and in England especially,) that inventors have a natural and exclusive right to their inventions, and not merely for their own lives, but inheritable to their heirs

It is agreed by those who have seriously considered the subject, that no individual has, of natural right, a separate property in an acre of land, for instance. By an universal law, indeed, whatever, whether fixed or movable, belongs to all men equally and in common, is the property for the moment of him who occupies it, but when he relinquishes the occupation, the property goes with it.

Accordingly, it is a fact, as far as I am informed, that England was, until we copied her, the only country on earth which ever, by a general law, gave a legal right to the exclusive use of an idea. In some other countries it is sometimes done, in a great case, and by a special and personal act, but, generally speaking, other nations have thought that these monopolies produce more embarrassment than advantage to society; and it may be observed that the nations which refuse monopolies of invention, are as fruitful as England in new and useful devices.

press-pubs.uchicago.edu...

Jefferson comparing wage workers to slavery; And worker abuse

And has not the British seaman, as much as the African, been reduced to this bondage by force, in flagrant violation of his own consent, and of his natural right in his own person ? and with the laborers of England generally, does not the moral coercion of want subject their will as despotically to that of their employer, as the physical constraint does the soldier, the seaman, or the slave ?

www.yamaguchy.com...

Jefferson on constitution worship

Some men look at constitutions with sanctimonious reverence, and deem them like the arc of the covenant, too sacred to be touched. They ascribe to the men of the preceding age a wisdom more than human, and suppose what they did to be beyond amendment. But I know also, that laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths disclosed, and manners and opinions change with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also, and keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy, as civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors

teachingamericanhistory.org...

Not to put a damper on anyone's Christmas and Holiday Season but both sides fiddle while Rome burns............ People need to realize just how much National Debt we are in.......
Here's a great way to get a perspective of what 16.5 TRILLION dollars is:

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Okay, that is what I call powerful. I've been sharing their website addy with folks for the 2-d graphics there for awhile but nothing says it like their 3-d animation of it. Poor Lady Liberty looks ready to throw her torch in the water and quit. Some days, I wouldn't blame her either.

Thanks for sharing that thought. I didn't know they made animated versions and I downloaded that to share for sure.

Originally posted by longlostbrother

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
reply to post by longlostbrother

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You read the stats your way and I read them mine. That's the joy and the strength of a free nation. Neither of us has the power or the right to force the views or system we believe may work best upon the other. The nation is as close to a 50/50 split as ever and so what holds here, holds nationally. Neither side has the true mandate or the force of numbers to force much of anything within the laws and system we have. So, cooperation isn't just a good idea, it's simply the only option that exists.

Show me one bit of evidence to back up your claim that Americans were consciously voting for Obama and voting for GOP candidates, to intentionally create some sort of "balance".

Because I has seen nothing to suggest this and you've offered no evidence, other than a claim, and you have a long history of spinning any and everything in a pro-GOP way.

It's fine to disagree, but you know, if you're gonna make claims, be able to back them up.

A vote for gary johnson is a vote for obama....romney campaign

I heard this so often people have no idea how repulsive it sounds. Absolutely disgusting!

Or people saying "I am so pissed with the candidates and the corruption I am not going to vote at all!"

Why the heck not vote for a libertarian, green, constitutionalist, socialist, etc? WHAT IS THERE TO LOSE AT THIS POINT? I think people do not know their options or are so gullible they get easily swayed one way or another. Partisanships is great, not bad. I love it like you would never know.

Originally posted by interupt42

The only one that can claim a true MSM conspiracy is Ron Paul. He never even got his 15 minutes of fame from his own party.

Heck his own party threw him under the bus by saying he was unelectable despite having been voted into congress repeatedly by his home state for several decades?

Am I wrong to state that romney paid make-believe supporters $20 an hour to show up at his campaign stops?

Or that delegates were coerced forcefully to vote for romney under duress?

reply to post by Wrabbit2000

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So you like a lame duck government?

If not what is your point?

Not that you care but people who easily swing party affiliations are too confused to vote properly. They probably should have their voting priviliges revoked. But we live in a make-believe free country dominated by money and secret agendas, so the media is bound to push certain parties and candidates, while totatally ignoring others. This causes the illusion of extremely limited choice.

Originally posted by nixie_nox
reply to post by Merinda

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Nice way to try to blame the poor and put a new spin on cutting entitlements, but that is the corporations fault, not the poor.

If the corps would pay living wages, then there would be less need for foodstamps.

It is the corporations taking advantage of the welfare system, not the other way around.

The answer? Legislation. My state tried to pass a law that any corporation that made a lot of money whose employees are so poor that they have to collect welfare, now have to reimburse the state for those employees.

The repubs shot it down of course.

and i wonder why average american is a whiner.
if you aren't satisfied by the wages given by a company, you shouldn't work there. no one is forcing anyone to work for them, are they???

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