@tdogrex:
How can the government be a looter? There is a budget deficit. You sound like a smart fella, so I don't have to tell you that that means they spend more than they take in. If I went looting somewhere, and ended up with less than I got in with, I wouldn't consider that a very successfull looting.
I see the republican side as a loose alliance of looters (buy public goods for pennys on the dollar, then charge to taste, privatize profits, socialize losses) and moochers (People who know that their way of life is better, but don't want to go through the hard process of convincing other people, and just use the force of law to do so (Jesus is awesomesauce! and a good number of "I was on foodstamps! has anybody ever helped me? no!")

Originally posted by longlostbrother
And here, you go and find me statistics showing what percentage of people are on permanent welfare, in the US.

then we'll talk.

Numbers can be crunched to say whatever you want them to say.

I live in Cleveland. I see it, I live it....every day. I cannot wait to put this city in my rearview mirror.

I'm sure that there are those who live in Detroit and Chicago and California, etc, that can say the same thing.

When you look at the overall picture rather than selectively, you'll see what I am talking about.

Of course the GOP cannot compete with Modern Liberalism and it's kindergarten like philosophy that everyone is right and everything everyone does is spectacular! You get one cookie, no matter if you take your nap or not. The bully always gets to have their way and the sissy gets their hand held as they cry. Their is no punishment or accountability, because they base reasoning on feelings and emotions, instead of logic...

Originally posted by longlostbrother

I do think you're "black or white" reading of people is all sorts of wrong... no one is perfect, ever... he can be better than Romney (duh) and still hugely flawed as a leader (double duh).

Actually I don't see any colors that is what the party loyalist see and in essence why they only see half the truth at best. If they are in the black party than the black party has all the answers and fixes and they can't do any wrong and vice versa. Politics has become a new form of a spectator sport crossed with religion. Your team can't do anything wrong or as you state no one is perfect so we must just accept it unless it comes from the other team.


What I see is logic and dots that I connect together while ignoring what they are telling me. I see that a lobbyist would like nothing more than having power over the consumer and the market. I see no matter who is in power gov't keeps getting bigger and we continue to loose freedom. I see that if you control the RNC and the DNC you in essence have total power. I see that the same issues have existed for numerous decades despite which party has had full control.

More importantly I simply follow the money trail to seek the truth and not my personal ideals when it comes to most things in life that involve billions of dollars.

I accept that no one is perfect and that is why the system is so flawed. Our system allows millions to be thrown legally on a daily basis to our politicians by the special interest groups. So I ask you , do you think Obama or any other politician is perfect or above that temptation? Are there any strings tied to those billions that Obama received from his two campaigns he ran?

I don't blame the politicians and I understand humanity and that is why they vote with the special interest groups in mind because they need their money to survive and the law allows them to be influenced by them. So why wouldn't they side with the hand that feeds them?

Originally posted by narwahl
@tdogrex:
How can the government be a looter? There is a budget deficit. You sound like a smart fella, so I don't have to tell you that that means they spend more than they take in. If I went looting somewhere, and ended up with less than I got in with, I wouldn't consider that a very successfull looting.
I see the republican side as a loose alliance of looters (buy public goods for pennys on the dollar, then charge to taste, privatize profits, socialize losses) and moochers (People who know that their way of life is better, but don't want to go through the hard process of convincing other people, and just use the force of law to do so (Jesus is awesomesauce! and a good number of "I was on foodstamps! has anybody ever helped me? no!")

Yep, you are pretty close there. But can you say with all certainity that the Government isn't the looters and have been such for decades now? Both Repubs and Dems?

I see them both with a jaundiced eye.

And many do not want to be moochers either but with the way the economy has been going they have been turned into such...often because they thought that the credit would just keep on rollin'.

And there are those who refuse to take lower paying jobs because it "hurts" their status...etc...etc.

I want both parties to crash and burn, just because there is no compromise on either side anymore. They need to go the way of the dinosaur.

Originally posted by interupt42

Originally posted by longlostbrother

I do think you're "black or white" reading of people is all sorts of wrong... no one is perfect, ever... he can be better than Romney (duh) and still hugely flawed as a leader (double duh).

Actually I don't see any colors that is what the party loyalist see and in essence why they only see half the truth at best. If they are in the black party than the black party has all the answers and fixes and they can't do any wrong and vice versa. Politics has become a new form of a spectator sport crossed with religion. Your team can't do anything wrong or as you state no one is perfect so we must just accept it unless it comes from the other team.


What I see is logic and dots that I connect together while ignoring what they are telling me. I see that a lobbyist would like nothing more than having power over the consumer and the market. I see no matter who is in power gov't keeps getting bigger and we continue to loose freedom. I see that if you control the RNC and the DNC you in essence have total power. I see that the same issues have existed for numerous decades despite which party has had full control.

More importantly I simply follow the money trail to seek the truth and not my personal ideals when it comes to most things in life that involve billions of dollars.

I accept that no one is perfect and that is why the system is so flawed. Our system allows millions to be thrown legally on a daily basis to our politicians by the special interest groups. So I ask you , do you think Obama or any other politician is perfect or above that temptation? Are there any strings tied to those billions that Obama received from his two campaigns he ran?

I don't blame the politicians and I understand humanity and that is why they vote with the special interest groups in mind because they need their money to survive and the law allows them to be influenced by them. So why wouldn't they side with the hand that feeds them?

Like I said to you last time, I, and I think 99% of Americans, think that all humans are flawed.

Some more than others.

I also think that governement is getting worse, and more corrupt, but see that as primarily the consequence of business interests. And as a consequence of ideologues controlling the parties.Though, that being said, you'd find a lot more insane ideologues in power on the right than the left. The "left" in America is really centrist... not liberal in a real sense.

I also think we probably agree on a lot of things.

My solution would be to have proportional representation. And separate business from governement.

Lets get a mass media complex that's dedicated to constantly demonizing and smearing the Democrats. We'll see how long it takes for them to become diminished.

Originally posted by PvtHudson
Lets get a mass media complex that's dedicated to constantly demonizing and smearing the Democrats. We'll see how long it takes for them to become diminished.

You got that already. FOX news and all its talk show hosts blast the DEMS. On the left you have MSNBC and its cohorts blasting the Right.

Is an entertaining tennis match that leads to the same results year after year. The players change in the match but the owners of the tennis club stay the same and the spectators keep paying more regardless which player wins.

Originally posted by interupt42

Originally posted by PvtHudson
Lets get a mass media complex that's dedicated to constantly demonizing and smearing the Democrats. We'll see how long it takes for them to become diminished.

You got that already. FOX news and all its talk show hosts blast the DEMS. On the left you have MSNBC and its cohorts blasting the Right.

Is an entertaining tennis match that leads to the same results year after year. The players change in the match but the owners of the tennis club stay the same and the spectators keep paying more regardless which player wins.

Rupert is about to get 2 more newspapers for christmas.
anyway: got anything else but evil nasty medai smearing you?
I was under the imperssion that you built that?
Or....
Success: I did it!
Failure: Others did it.
Am i getting close?

Originally posted by interupt42

Originally posted by PvtHudson
Lets get a mass media complex that's dedicated to constantly demonizing and smearing the Democrats. We'll see how long it takes for them to become diminished.

You got that already. FOX news and all its talk show hosts blast the DEMS. On the left you have MSNBC and its cohorts blasting the Right.

Is an entertaining tennis match that leads to the same results year after year. The players change in the match but the owners of the tennis club stay the same and the spectators keep paying more regardless which player wins.

YOu left out ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, tax payer funded PBS & NPR, Hollywood, Comedy Central and dont even get me started on print media.