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posted on Dec, 6 2012 @ 10:41 AM
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Originally posted by longlostbrother
First this week we have new polls that show that Republicans are losing the argument for renewing taxcuts for the rich.


Just to point out, if it was just "tax cuts for the rich" then why would it cost all of us an extra two thousand in taxes?




posted on Dec, 6 2012 @ 10:42 AM
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Originally posted by longlostbrother


"the good particular men may do separately, in relieving the sick, is small, compared with what they may do collectively."

Which is a great argument for Universal Healthcare....


Please do not cherry pick one sentence from a newspaper editorial written by a guy in the 1700's as a means to justify something he never believed in...

Ben Franklin was talking about the duties of a Christian people. And explained the reasons why charity in religion was so important.

None of which is a great argument for universal healthcare, as neither Ben Franklin, nor any other founder believed it was moral to steal money from others, to pay for others.



posted on Dec, 6 2012 @ 10:47 AM
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The reason that the GOP is becoming obsolete is because it appeals to the hateful, mean spirited, arrogant, control freak, people exemplified perfectly by Rush Limbaugh; their actual leader.

MOST people have a live and let live attitude and will vote for the moderate candidate and they don't really care about the nuts and bolts of politics.

Romney actually was pretty moderate but his campaign came across as goofy and appealing to white people only.
His attempt to attract Hispanic voters was laughable and the Hispanic's saw threw it. He also blew it with the female vote. The two most important voting blocks in the US.

The American demographic has changed and the GOP has yet to recognize that fact.
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posted on Dec, 6 2012 @ 10:51 AM
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www.abovetopsecret.com...

here ya go longlost, this may explain some things



posted on Dec, 6 2012 @ 10:53 AM
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Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by longlostbrother
First this week we have new polls that show that Republicans are losing the argument for renewing taxcuts for the rich.


Just to point out, if it was just "tax cuts for the rich" then why would it cost all of us an extra two thousand in taxes?


There you go Beezer:
www.govexec.com...

You may say thank you to pelosi, and start shaking your fist at boehner.



posted on Dec, 6 2012 @ 10:57 AM
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Originally posted by aravoth

Originally posted by longlostbrother


"the good particular men may do separately, in relieving the sick, is small, compared with what they may do collectively."

Which is a great argument for Universal Healthcare....


Please do not cherry pick one sentence from a newspaper editorial written by a guy in the 1700's as a means to justify something he never believed in...

Ben Franklin was talking about the duties of a Christian people. And explained the reasons why charity in religion was so important.

None of which is a great argument for universal healthcare, as neither Ben Franklin, nor any other founder believed it was moral to steal money from others, to pay for others.


Nice rant, but not even vaguely true.

Here's an article, from the Libertarians no less, explaining how Jefferson believed in publicly funded education... you know robbing you via taxes to educate other people's kids:

www.libertarianism.org...

Oh and hey look, here's a congress full of founding fathers passing tax to pay for healthcare:

www.spokesman.com...

and what of Thomas Paine, founding Father, who proposed a system called Agarian Justice:


Agrarian Justice is the title of a pamphlet written by Thomas Paine, published in 1797, which advocated the use of an estate tax and a tax on land values to fund a universal old-age and disability pension, as well as a fixed sum to be paid to all citizens on reaching maturity.


en.wikipedia.org...

Three easy examples of Founding Fathers trying to rob your money and give it to others... but sure, they probably aren't as American as you are...

The problem with just believing crap you read on the internet blindly is that you'll probably get called out on it by people who've actually done the research...



posted on Dec, 6 2012 @ 10:58 AM
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Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by longlostbrother
First this week we have new polls that show that Republicans are losing the argument for renewing taxcuts for the rich.


Just to point out, if it was just "tax cuts for the rich" then why would it cost all of us an extra two thousand in taxes?


Me thinks you should do a bit of research before diving into this discussion...



posted on Dec, 6 2012 @ 11:06 AM
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Originally posted by longlostbrother

Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by longlostbrother
First this week we have new polls that show that Republicans are losing the argument for renewing taxcuts for the rich.


Just to point out, if it was just "tax cuts for the rich" then why would it cost all of us an extra two thousand in taxes?


Me thinks you should do a bit of research before diving into this discussion...


Here's what I know.

Obama is holding 98% of America hostage.

He (Obama) will not sign any bill unless it contains tax raises for the 2%. So unless he gets what he wants, he will screw us over with all of us getting to pay higher taxes.

The republicans ARE weak sauce, they are a pitiful disgusting shadow of what they could be. Ironically enough, despite the fact that they (the GOP) are pathetic, they are still heads and shoulders above the progressives who have infected the American political system.



posted on Dec, 6 2012 @ 11:12 AM
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Originally posted by beezzer


The republicans ARE weak sauce, they are a pitiful disgusting shadow of what they could be. Ironically enough, despite the fact that they (the GOP) are pathetic, they are still heads and shoulders above the progressives who have infected the American political system.


So what should the GOP do to over come this weak sauce mentality? Become even more conservative, strident and uncompromising.

Good Luck with that....


The GOP and Tparty is toast and the Libertarian movement will be a political tsunami in coming elections.
edit on 6-12-2012 by olaru12 because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 6 2012 @ 11:13 AM
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A few more bits from the Founding Fathers:

“Another means of silently lessening the inequality of property is to exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the higher portions of property in geometrical progression as they rise.”

- Thomas Jefferson pushing for a 'progressive' tax system. And in fact the US passed its first progressive tax sceme in 1797 - what communists...

And what about the 1791 Whiskey Tax? A FEDERAL tax, which George "Mussolini Stalin Hitler" Washington FORCED people to pay WITH THE MILITARY. Some of those Tea Party "patriots" should make a time machine and go back and denouce that un-American jerk for what he is, a Communist.

en.wikipedia.org...

In fact, a Tea Partier did try and reference the Whiskey Rebellion - sadly he lied through his teeth about what happened... big surprise there..




posted on Dec, 6 2012 @ 11:15 AM
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Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by longlostbrother

Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by longlostbrother
First this week we have new polls that show that Republicans are losing the argument for renewing taxcuts for the rich.


Just to point out, if it was just "tax cuts for the rich" then why would it cost all of us an extra two thousand in taxes?


Me thinks you should do a bit of research before diving into this discussion...


Here's what I know.

Obama is holding 98% of America hostage.

He (Obama) will not sign any bill unless it contains tax raises for the 2%. So unless he gets what he wants, he will screw us over with all of us getting to pay higher taxes.

The republicans ARE weak sauce, they are a pitiful disgusting shadow of what they could be. Ironically enough, despite the fact that they (the GOP) are pathetic, they are still heads and shoulders above the progressives who have infected the American political system.


Wrong.
The Bush tax cuts expire at the end of the year.
There is a bill that reinstates them for 98%
It passed the senate
Pelosi forced that discharge thingy in the house on tuesday.
Now they need 218 votes to bring the bush tax cut prolongation onto the floor, despite Boehner not scheduling it.



posted on Dec, 6 2012 @ 11:17 AM
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Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by longlostbrother

Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by longlostbrother
First this week we have new polls that show that Republicans are losing the argument for renewing taxcuts for the rich.


Just to point out, if it was just "tax cuts for the rich" then why would it cost all of us an extra two thousand in taxes?


Me thinks you should do a bit of research before diving into this discussion...


Here's what I know.

Obama is holding 98% of America hostage.

He (Obama) will not sign any bill unless it contains tax raises for the 2%. So unless he gets what he wants, he will screw us over with all of us getting to pay higher taxes.

The republicans ARE weak sauce, they are a pitiful disgusting shadow of what they could be. Ironically enough, despite the fact that they (the GOP) are pathetic, they are still heads and shoulders above the progressives who have infected the American political system.


But of course YOU would frame it like that.

What is ACTUALLY happening, is that one party has a plan in place to extend the tax cuts for 98% of Americans. A few of that party's political opponents would rather let those people loose their tax cuts then let the richest 2% pay a bit more.

This little lie of yours, sorry "talking point" has pretty much been dismissed by everyone, except a few fringers desperate to attack a President who's party just crushed theirs soundly.

More sour grapes from a few angry rich white losers.
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posted on Dec, 6 2012 @ 11:20 AM
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Originally posted by olaru12

Originally posted by beezzer


The republicans ARE weak sauce, they are a pitiful disgusting shadow of what they could be. Ironically enough, despite the fact that they (the GOP) are pathetic, they are still heads and shoulders above the progressives who have infected the American political system.


So what should the GOP do to over come this weak sauce mentality? Become even more conservative, strident and uncompromising.

Good Luck with that....


The GOP and Tparty is toast and the Libertarian movement will be a political tsunami in coming elections.
edit on 6-12-2012 by olaru12 because: (no reason given)


My advice to republicans would be, "Sit down, shut up and let the Libertarians have a go."



posted on Dec, 6 2012 @ 11:23 AM
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Originally posted by longlostbrother

More sour grapes from a few angry rich white losers.
edit on 6-12-2012 by longlostbrother because: (no reason given)


First off, not white.

Secondly, glad you and your ilk are finally going to take ownership of the economy!




posted on Dec, 6 2012 @ 11:27 AM
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In order for a politician to be of value to a Lobbyist and rake in campaign contributions and other goodies...they must be a politician. So while Politicians might be beholden to lobbyists...they are more beholden to voters, cuz without thier job, they are worthless to lobbyists.

I guess what I am getting at is that "we the people" share some of the blame for the corruption in DC. We can dedicate hours of air-time to gay marriage, but campaign finance reform? Grover Norquist had a nice run with his pledge...why not a pledge to reform campaign laws? Not accept money from PACs that refuse to disclose thier donors? etc. etc.



posted on Dec, 6 2012 @ 11:28 AM
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Originally posted by longlostbrother

More sour grapes from a few angry rich white losers.
edit on 6-12-2012 by longlostbrother because: (no reason given)


Who is angry? Disappointed in my fellow humans and their lack of motivation maybe.

I will always fight the looters and moochers. They don't deserve what they recieve. They haven't earned it.



posted on Dec, 6 2012 @ 11:28 AM
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Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by olaru12

Originally posted by beezzer


The republicans ARE weak sauce, they are a pitiful disgusting shadow of what they could be. Ironically enough, despite the fact that they (the GOP) are pathetic, they are still heads and shoulders above the progressives who have infected the American political system.


So what should the GOP do to over come this weak sauce mentality? Become even more conservative, strident and uncompromising.

Good Luck with that....


The GOP and Tparty is toast and the Libertarian movement will be a political tsunami in coming elections.
edit on 6-12-2012 by olaru12 because: (no reason given)


My advice to republicans would be, "Sit down, shut up and let the Libertarians have a go."


Oh oh oh... as long as we're letting random and massively unpopular parties control government, I vote for the Greens. Or maybe the Prohibition Party? Sure they haven't existed since the 1860s, but then again at least their party managed to get over 1% of the national vote at their height... in fact 1.5%...



posted on Dec, 6 2012 @ 11:30 AM
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Originally posted by Indigo5
reply to post by interupt42
 


In order for a politician to be of value to a Lobbyist and rake in campaign contributions and other goodies...they must be a politician. So while Politicians might be beholden to lobbyists...they are more beholden to voters, cuz without thier job, they are worthless to lobbyists.

I guess what I am getting at is that "we the people" share some of the blame for the corruption in DC. We can dedicate hours of air-time to gay marriage, but campaign finance reform? Grover Norquist had a nice run with his pledge...why not a pledge to reform campaign laws? Not accept money from PACs that refuse to disclose thier donors? etc. etc.


I agree that an unelected politician is powerless. However, you assume that voters have a choice to NOT pick one of their selected politicians.

Come election time, who do you get to pick from. The guy you want or the guy that the RNC or the DNC picked for you to select from?

Won't even go into how they are outsourcing control of our voting system to Spain.



posted on Dec, 6 2012 @ 11:34 AM
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Originally posted by TDawgRex

Originally posted by longlostbrother

More sour grapes from a few angry rich white losers.
edit on 6-12-2012 by longlostbrother because: (no reason given)


Who is angry? Disappointed in my fellow humans and their lack of motivation maybe.

I will always fight the looters and moochers. They don't deserve what they recieve. They haven't earned it.


And no worries, the looters and moochers lost.
(Looks like Romney was correct with his 47% estimate, he just was wrong who they vote for)



posted on Dec, 6 2012 @ 11:35 AM
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Originally posted by TDawgRex

Originally posted by longlostbrother

More sour grapes from a few angry rich white losers.
edit on 6-12-2012 by longlostbrother because: (no reason given)


Who is angry? Disappointed in my fellow humans and their lack of motivation maybe.

I will always fight the looters and moochers. They don't deserve what they recieve. They haven't earned it.


You're kidding right?

First off, as I've shown repeatedly, many of the Founding Fathers were "pro-moocher".... which I think might make YOU un-American...

Ahh whoops... I mean....

No you're absolutely right. I encourage to continue using this sort of language. It's sure to win you many more elections. (Assuming you ignore the fact that the GOP has only won the popular vote once in the last 20 years.)





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