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Originally posted by wingsfan
. Sure there is historical claims and what not.
Originally posted by paganini
Originally posted by wingsfan
. Sure there is historical claims and what not.
In truth Mexico has very little claim to the land. Besides what i noted earlier about Mexicans having no ancestral ties to the southwest it was Spain not Mexico that conquered the territory . The name for the land merely turned from New Spain to Mexico once the the Spanish colonist revolted and Spain lost its power over the region
Prior the Americans gaining the land there were already many documented uprisings among the populace who didn't want to belong under Mexico's control and on top of that the Mexican Constitution makes no note of the southwest belonging to them.
Really the only claim Mexico has was a brief name change. But seeing as how they have no ancestral roots there nor did they actually use military power to acquire the land their claims are rather ludicrous.
On a related note I'm a descendant of the Spanish colonists who laid claim to the Northern New mexico region and I'm not demanding my land back or wishing it was still under Spain's control etc,etc. Hell New Mexico was acquired rather late by the Yankees and the town my folks were from was so isolated they still spoke archaic Castilian as a FIRST language. But my grandfather adapted when he left his hometown and learned to speak English fluently and was an extremely patriotic flag waving american.edit on 7-12-2012 by paganini because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by sirhumperdinkexcept for the fact that Mexicans are descendants of the spanish
Originally posted by sirhumperdinkAND various native tribes who most certainly could claim ancestral roots
Originally posted by paganini
Originally posted by sirhumperdinkexcept for the fact that Mexicans are descendants of the spanish
Many who follow the whole Reconquisita movement vilify the Spaniards and claim only native ancestry.
Originally posted by sirhumperdinkAND various native tribes who most certainly could claim ancestral roots
And none of those native Mexican tribes occupied the southwest. The Aztec empire never pushed up that far north. So again the tribes who actually are native to the region would take offense to Mexicans, even those of Indian stock claiming it's theirs.
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edit on 7-12-2012 by paganini because: (no reason given)
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The president, however, sternly notes that U.S. citizenship applicants will have to “learn English,” a requirement that is currently the law of the land.
Originally posted by sirhumperdinkso youre going to sit there and claim that there was never any mating between the spanish and apache, comanche, hopi etc. etc.?
Originally posted by sirhumperdinkand again this is all nonsense nobody should have claim to the land and these arbitrary lines of division are beyond childish
Originally posted by paganini
Originally posted by sirhumperdinkso youre going to sit there and claim that there was never any mating between the spanish and apache, comanche, hopi etc. etc.?
No i didn't claim anything of the sort. You are attempting to put words in my mouth. I am noting that the reconquest movement isn't very big on the whole celebrating anything Spaniard. They are more often than not lumped in as "white devils". Though with that being said while there was mixing there are still many Mexicans alive today who are largely or entirely of native stock. These people are largely what you see flocking to the movement and its revisionist history.
what I'm getting at is the whole it was mexico's first crowd have a habit of demonizing the Spanish one minute then turning around and laying claim to the peoples accomplishments when its convenient for them.
Originally posted by sirhumperdinkand again this is all nonsense nobody should have claim to the land and these arbitrary lines of division are beyond childish
How is it nonsense? Pretty much everything in the animal kingdom carves out territory for itself and its kin.
Originally posted by sirhumperdink
yeah pretty much everything in the animal kingdom #s while it walks/swims/crawls, doesnt have a written language, and live like.... well animals
so youre going to advocate behaving more animalistic?
Originally posted by sirhumperdinkand you did indeed claim that
Originally posted by sirhumperdinkthe apache comanche and hopi (and many others) were in fact native to the southwest
or you could be thinking of it in terms of what mexicos current border is wich would be....well... silly
Originally posted by paganini
Yes and neither the Apache Comanche or Hopi are considered to be Mexican Indians.
Understand?
Originally posted by paganini
good god man how can you be that dense?
they are tribes that were not native to what is now mexico
that does not in fact mean that the current population of mexico does not include descendants of these people
understand?
Originally posted by paganinias for your other comments you can believe what you want but things change and to advocate anything simply because thats how it has been is folly in the extreme
Originally posted by paganini
I'm sure like many Americans hes aware of peace treaties and promises , disease ridden blankets being given etc,etc. The thing is what battle was fought fairly......... ever? Every nations built on blood shed and betrayl. We have been doing this to each other since the dawn of our species.
Originally posted by timetothink
reply to post by xedocodex
The op is not about citizens speaking other languages, you are misinterpreting what was said to push this pc agenda crap.
The op was about a United States federal organization only using Spanish.
That is wrong. Only American should be used, or at least used first.
Originally posted by timetothink
The melting pot analogy has no standing when looked at by the founding fathers standards, they were huge skeptics of immigration.
edit on 6-12-2012 by timetothink because: (no reason given)
Thirty-one states have some form of official English law. Most recently, Oklahoma passed official English legislation in 2010. U.S.ENGLISH is currently working in several states to pass measures that will enact new official English bills or strengthen existing legislation.