I blame the low-fat diet recomendations by our government. Fat is necessary for the production of key hormones.

That and soy. Soy products, especially soy milk, is pure poison. Vegans, who seem to like soy, are particualrly vulernable to not being able to reproduce.

Keep in mind, soy is in nearly all processed foods. Add to that is it a GMO and also is "Roundup Ready".

From back in 2008:

"Eating a half serving a day of soy-based foods could be enough to significantly lower a man's sperm count, U.S. researchers said on Wednesday.

The study is the largest in humans to look at the relationship between semen quality and a plant form of the female sex hormone estrogen known as phytoestrogen, which is plentiful in soy-rich foods.

"What we found was men that consume the highest amounts of soy foods in this study had a lower sperm concentration compared to those who did not consume soy foods," said Dr. Jorge Chavarro of the Harvard School of Public Health in Boston, whose study appears in the journal Human Reproduction.

"It was a relatively large difference," Chavarro said in a telephone interview.

Chavarro said studies in animals have linked high consumption of plant-derived estrogens known as isoflavones with infertility...

17 years ago....hmm Internet Porn began?

Originally posted by OccamsRazor04

Originally posted by artnut

Originally posted by OccamsRazor04
It's obvious no one even read the article. This only applies to FRANCE and FRENCH men. Not men in Europe, or America, or the West, or worldwide. France, that's it.

You know, I thought about this, but I think on average, the French live a healthier lifestyle than Americans. More walking, more wine, better food. I could be generalizing, but last time I was in Europe, the lifestyle appeared healthier. I started thinking about how bad the American lifestyle is, and how we may be even worse.

Although, I am not sure I would trust a fertility clinic study, bit of a bias there.

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If we were talking about health and you wanted to give us your unscientific musings, that could be an interesting debate.

We aren't talking health, it's very specific. Sperm count. Add on top the participants and I agree there could be some bias. Regardless, this is targeted at French men only, and it's clear no one read the article except maybe me and you.

And you think your state of health has nothing to do with sperm count? There are a lot of things that have to do with a healthy sperm count. My husband and I went to a fertility doctor to figure out why I could not have a second child a few years back. My husband had slow swimmers and I actually learned a lot about sperm count from a specialist. Not sure why you had to be snarky, but I think having an opinion and discussing it is why a place like ATS exists.

Originally posted by artnut

Originally posted by OccamsRazor04

Originally posted by artnut

Originally posted by OccamsRazor04
It's obvious no one even read the article. This only applies to FRANCE and FRENCH men. Not men in Europe, or America, or the West, or worldwide. France, that's it.

You know, I thought about this, but I think on average, the French live a healthier lifestyle than Americans. More walking, more wine, better food. I could be generalizing, but last time I was in Europe, the lifestyle appeared healthier. I started thinking about how bad the American lifestyle is, and how we may be even worse.

Although, I am not sure I would trust a fertility clinic study, bit of a bias there.

If we were talking about health and you wanted to give us your unscientific musings, that could be an interesting debate.

We aren't talking health, it's very specific. Sperm count. Add on top the participants and I agree there could be some bias. Regardless, this is targeted at French men only, and it's clear no one read the article except maybe me and you.

And you think your state of health has nothing to do with sperm count? There are a lot of things that have to do with a healthy sperm count. My husband and I went to a fertility doctor to figure out why I could not have a second child a few years back. My husband had slow swimmers and I actually learned a lot about sperm count from a specialist. Not sure why you had to be snarky, but I think having an opinion and discussing it is why a place like ATS exists.

Great. Now show me where health is linked in the article we are discussing. Show me where ANY Western country other than France has any bearing whatsoever in the article we are discussing. If we are discussing your husband and his problem and the causes of that problem I am more than happy to discuss his poor health habits. How about we discuss the actual topic, which is men in France at a particular fertility clinic have poor swimmers.

Can this research even be extended to all men in France with the pool of participants? It's clearly a biased pool. If it is a stretch to generalize this to all French men, how are you ok with generalizing this to all western men, and then talk about negative health habits in countries other than the target country having anything to do with this research? Not only have you jumped beyond the target population, which is arguably irrelevant, you have jumped to populations which have zero relevance and brought in reasons why these populations have lower sperm counts when there is no evidence they even do.

It's akin to saying life expectancy has dropped for cancer patients in Yugoslavia, and you saying the reason life expectancy has dropped for all Americans is because we eat too many twinkies. Please, stay on topic.