Originally posted by GenRadek
reply to post by LaBTop
More problems for you LaBTop.
LT : Don't think so, quite the opposite.
I get dejected by all your misconceptions.
Here we go again. A long one....
GR :I search ATS with every conceivable mix of Blanchard and your alleged interaction and cannot really find anything of the sort. I've tried your
name and his. Your name, his name, thermobarics, WTC7, etc, and nothing is coming up. Unless you were under another name perhaps?
LT : I found it in 0.46 seconds.
Title : I challenge NIST Answers to FAQ - Supplement (December 14, 2007).
LT : Same goes for that guy from that demolition firm who came to this forum and said they had lots of hand-held seismic devices seismographs from
the events in New York on 9/11.
I challenged him to directly post just one of them, since I really would like to get my hands on a real one, because I am sure I can prove than even
better how clear it is that there were explosions registered as seismic events, before any tower moved a millimeter.
Never heard from the guy anymore. He got whipped by his bosses probably, for going on-line with such damming potential evidence. Later we read that
all the seismograms from those handhold seismographs got lost.....How convenient.
Take the time to read that whole page 11 ! Then also read pages 13 and 14 from this thread,
titled : Need Unequivocal Evidence of WTC7 Demolition
While you MUST keep at hand, a printed out version of my old 2005 to 2007 thesis
seismogram with all my texts spread over it.
Otherwise you will not be able to understand at last, how NIST came to its own Cianca photo time
stamping of 17:20:46 P.M. in 2004.
Which is by the way, now in 2013, still the same ! And that's their own comparison event in New York, which they could have used to interpret their
own LDEO seismogram given to them by LDEO. They never even got that idea.
I had to offer that to them, and then the greatest effort by NIST, to hide all their own seismic work already done by external sources, unfolded.
And that's why I will do everything in my might to nail their coffin closed.
GR :And yes I have read your long winded posts. And yet you still come up with serious issues that nullify your results, no matter how hard you
twist and haw and hem about how wrong everyone else is.
LT : So, why not list them and try to refute them?
And still I have to be more precise, because you prove again and again that even when I try to explain it as low graded, simplistic as can be for any
passing-by readers with a lack of, or a low degree of education (that's not an insult btw, you can be very intelligent without any education, the
opposite is still true and alive in broad academic circles -very stupid with a lot of education- do I hear someone whisper, N I S T), you however
still can't grasp the quintessence of the arguments, as you are going to prove again in your below quoted words.
I must admit however, you have the fighting spirit of a pit-bull, who are known for their endurance, you can park them hanging with their jaws clamped
around a tree branch 3 meters high, and when you return after one hour, the damn dog still hangs there. It says something about character, stamina and
I suppose about the dog's intelligence. I don't see a German Teckle do it. Such a dog would hang for not more than a few seconds, realizes the shear
stupidity of such a behavior, lets loose, walks away and goes on with his everyday life, not wasting a full hour of that enjoyable life.
GR : Once again, if there were explosives powerful enough going off to overwhelm the collapses on the seismographs
LT: You still make the same mistake, as do most of the readers, by the way.
You connect the TOTAL destructive energy input to the TOTAL destructive resulting output.
Now those two TOTAL's differ immensely in value. But still the first small input let the whole building fail as the resulting output. Go contemplating
what I mean, come back and report what you learned.
Engage for once in an actual debate. Instead of throwing loose sentences around, while never addressing the real issues. Come with solid arguments.
GR : then by all accounts we should have HEARD THEM prior to collapse. And yet nothing! Not one damn video, recording, or even credible account of
massive blasts going off.
LT: This is clearly not civic nor honest debating anymore, you now introduce knowingly a pack of lies.
I have given you by now, numerous videos with the explosives sounds not filtered out. Mostly lately FOIA freed ones from the huge hidden NIST
Can you explain to the gathered crowd (looks around and sees nobody and smiles) how in that WTC 7 collapse video, you can hear the deep explosion
sound 2 seconds before the whole building starts to sink down, while during that sinking of a huge 47 stories high building, you hear no sound at all
from that collapse? Why can we hear that explosion sound, but not that immense sound from that global total collapse from that distance of 9 blocks
So you did not listen to the FOIA freed from NIST, -BoneZ- and Chandler videos?
Are you nearly deaf by any chance? Not an insult, just an establishment of a possible reason for such strange on-line behavior.
Come on, refute these video's with explosion sounds in them :
GR : Any explosive powerful enough to register on a seismograph is not going to be silenced or muffled. its going to shatter any windows nearby and
cause serous blast damage AND wounds. Where were they LaBTop? I recall severe burns and impact trauma, but no barometric injuries. No ruptured
eardrums. Nothing of the sort. Even the guys in the basement didnt incurr any such injuries. Especially if it is THERMOBARIC EXPLOSIVE LaBTop.
LaBTop : Huge evidence post.
ANSWER THIS HUGE POST BEFORE POSTING ANY FURTHER THREAD-DISTURBING UNSUBSTANTIATED POSTS.
LT : Again you demonstrate not to grasp the interaction between power and speed. A cutter charge its copper plasma cuts through a steel beam like
butter, but its sound is a disappointing cracking sound.
And for the umpteenth time, it is very simple to muffle a cutter charge, ask a demolition professional if water is an effective muffler for a cutter
charge. A cutter charge will not be halted in any way by the nylon wall of a container filled with water. Or do you still not understand at all how a
demolition expert who is covertly working, would do that?
You just demonstrated you still have not the slightest clue what the differences are between an FAE and a TB.
An FAE has that vacuum effect (Russia Vacum Bomba), not however a TB. A TB has the huge pressure build-up suddenly and the flame front burning peoples
skin off, as demonstrated by the stories of Willy Rodriguez and his 30+ friends/co-workers about them helping their surviving wounded friends out of
the lower basements where those TB's exploded, who had the skin hanging from their arms and torso's. Or the Asian lady coming out of the Lobby, with
no cloth on but with all her skin hanging from her body, looking as if she was clothed in draping. She died in the hospital. And everybody WITHIN a TB
its flame front periphery is DEAD from the pressure. Only outside that flame front you stand a chance. Did you not read how many DEAD people were
found in those basements just after those huge explosions? And you will try to make us think that these deads were caused by vibrations at 300 meter
high up following a plane impact?
You are loosing contact with reality.
Ruptured eardrums occur with FAE's, and eventually outside the periphery of a TB blast front. All victims who are dead have ruptured eardrums in both
blast scenario's, but logically can't tell that anymore, do you understand that logic?
GR : THAT is the whole damn point of a THERMOBARIC explosive.
LT : No, the whole damn point of a TB is that you can easily calculate its "balloon-blow up" effect in a certain space, f.ex. a WTC floor or basement
when you possess the construction plans of them, and then dial the calculated/intended explosive power on that TB with the aid of a simple knob.
GR : And again you forget that any sort of explosive exploding is going to make one hell of a bang. Especially one that is supposed to completely
blast an entire floor apart. If this was the case, there where exactly was the evidence on the steel beams during recovery? I'm sure someone found
some evidence of such blast patterns.
LT : Didn't listen to Willy Rodriguez, have we! Or to the -BoneZ- and Chandler video's, have we? That were some hell of a bangs. Or the two women plus
baby on arm video filmed 9 blocks away from a collapsing WTC 7..?
And you seem to not want to grasp what I have written so many times already. A TB leaves nearly no traces at all, since the formulations for covert
use (most of them) are chosen to leave no traces, only burn soot which is abundant in any building fires. You have to meticulously search for eventual
traces of the small HE charges that initiate the clouds. And Bush, Cheney and Rice took care that that did not happen on their watch, the USDS was not
even allowed to sample in the ground zero area, only far around it.
Get it in your stubborn mind, TB's do not leave any traces of importance, that's why all governments covertly using them, do want to keep the lid on
them and do not publicize their intrinsic details.
GR : As to the aircraft impact. You fall into the tried and true method truthers have calling the airplane an empty beer can. Yes, of course that
means its entire mass just evaporates on impact right? On impact with the tower at 550 mph, the whole damn tower rocked and swayed and even at the
base things were knoced off the columns because of the vibrations. Do not tell me the impact was nothing special and not enough to register on the
seismograph. Oh yes and lets not forget what the exterior columns were connected to? Thats right! The CORE columns. But how? Oh yeah! The floor
trusses! and why did the whole Tower rock on impact when as you claim, it never really hit the core columns? And do not tell me that the vibrations
would not transfer through the entire structure on impact either. Geeze LaBTop, you are all over the place and still missing key parts. Victory for
you is still well out of reach.
LT : I am not into victories, and neither should you, over the dead bodies of at least two million victims of this black operation.
You still do not want to read what I already wrote. That plane its CONTOURS was not cut out in the Vierendeel steel facade plates. The plane got
smashed together on the facade impact ON those facade plates, and the momentum from that, crumbled in a millisecond, aluminum mass, PUSHED many
Vierendeel facade plates back, deeper into the building. And those facade plates that moved/got shot back, were severed from there connections to
other still standing Vierendeel facade plates.
Why did you not follow my advice to look up the sharp photo's in the NIST reports and use a magnifying glass to observe the impact damage. You see the
contours of those Vierendeel plates hacked out from that huge hole. Not the sharp contours of the plane, that plane was immediately deformed to a thin
aluminum mass which had however momentum enough to break many connections at the ends of the three facade columns that were part of one Vierendeel
And don't play silly excuses on me, the planes were crushed, not evaporated at impact. And of course the plane got registered in the seismogram, it
only disappeared in the whole building up of peaks registering the basement explosion. That took about 10 seconds to build up to max peak vibrations,
then dying down to standard background noise. That's why the planes had to hit high up within that time window, and they did. Read
the Furlong and Ross article.!.
now you will understand what exactly they explain in their article. They basically say the same as I did in 2005 already at the now dysfunctional
GR : Now if there was an explosion in the basement, were was it? You cannot still give me a reason or proof the basement columns in the core were
severed by anything. Why did the core base remain standing? Why did people survive in the core if core columns in the base were severed or blown up
by these magical thermobaric bombs? Again, how did the guys survive in the basements and the subways and in the underground areas of the WTC if such
powerful THERMOBARIC explosives went off? You do know the damages done to humans with these weapons right? after all you are the one crowing about
how special they are.
LT : It was where Willy Rodriguez and his thirty plus co workers said it was. When do you get that? And that premature explosion was not meant
probably to severe every single column, if any at all. It's reason seems to have been to mask the plane impacts on the seismograms, and mask a
peculiar 17 seconds difference in UTC times between radar and seismic reports.
And that could indicate that all video material shown on TV worldwide on 9/11 was shifted a full 17 seconds later, and the reason for that, I can't
prove it yet, but I think they needed that time to filter explosion sounds out of all video material that entered the editing rooms of the main
networks. It must have been an automated computerized process, no humans could do that by hand in 17 seconds, computers can.
I repeat, show me photo's of Ground Zero with 2 x 47 huge core columns sticking out of the rubble pile, photo's from within an hour or two after the
last collapse of the North Tower. I have the one with the leftover stump of that right corner side stairwell, that was NOT a center core part. In
there a few people survived, one of them the Korean policeman. There were no stairwells in the center core column parts. Only elevators. Stairwells
were situated in the 4 corners of the buildings.
See the floor plans in the NIST reports.
GR : And this is still perplexing because in one breath you say it was these magic thermobaric bombs, and then in the next it was cutter charges.
Or was it cutter charges on the WTC Towers and TBs in the WTC7? Or was it the other way around?
LT : Yup, since they needed to cut beams and columns, but they also needed to balloon-blow-up whole WTC floors and thus dislocating all beams and
columns from their seats, welds and bolts. As you see in the -BoneZ- and Chandler video's I posted already so many times links to.
GR : Do you have actual seismograph records of these Thermobaric explosives? You say you can tell, but how exactly, if the particular device you
claim did this is still so top secret? I mean its easy linking to papers and things tallking about all different types of thermobaric devices, but
where can I find thermobaric seismic signatures?
LT : Yup, you too have them. Think that one through for a few moments, than report back if you can solve that puzzle.
GR : And again, you have to explain just how a thermobaric explosive can be quieter and yet bring about a far greater seismic signature than a
conventional explosive. In the real world, the bigger the explosion, the bigger the noise. So man bugs in your theory LaBTop. No matter how hard you
try to drown them in words, they still come up.
LT : Where do I say that they are quieter? They were quieter in the case of WTC 7 since the FBI , NYPD etc herded all outsiders about 9 blocks away.
NINE damn blocks man. Do you understand now, why you vaguely hear that TB going off, but not the whole following WTC 7 collapse sound?
And for both Twin Towers, for once, listen to the -BoneZ- video.......those huge explosion sounds in specific cadence at initiation of both collapses,
those were ALL thermobaric devices ! Only one explosive can do that to a building, pump it up, break all steel connections and then bleed off through
the relatively small window holes.
edit on 1/2/13 by LaBTop because: Typo's.