Nitpicking the details or engaging in ad hominen attacks serves absolutely no purpose. Whether Masons or Christians they are to be known by their fruits. The number of scumbag, corrupt freemasons throughout history is staggering -- there is your fruit, there is your "Masonic Man." Christian leaders do not escape any easier. All external initiations are invalid; only the internal initiation of the Divine is worth anything at all. While it is true that the Divine Force which animates the universe communicates in symbols, it does absolutely no good to attempt to communicate back in symbols or to set oneself up as a vain demi-god by adorning oneself and one's movement in symbols or using them as hooks to pull mainly greedy self-absorded hedonists into your fold. Crowley was a perfect example of the kind of ridiculous perverted folly this kind of ritualistic symbolic obsession breeds.
While freemasons tend to be better educated and more articulate than the average Christian -- and thus better at defending themselves and their institution -- they betray their colors at every turn. Ad hominen assaults on trivialities such as spelling and grammar is an example of a "Fruit" of the masonic man. Those truly enlightenened and in the service of the Good understand this. The argument of an enlightened man has power and fire behind it but it will never allow itself to be dragged into the gutters of petty ad hominens. Know them by their fruits; whether Christian or Freemason.
Christians must defend their corrupt, two-faced leaders in order to validate their institution (not the text of the Bible; it and every line or hint at wisdom in it must be judged point by point -- the baby must be kept while draining the voluminous bathwater); so too Masons must address the prominate hedonistic and/or murdering slimeballs that have staffed their ranks for centuries, or their institution must be considered invalid at best, infectiously perverse at worst. The top masons tend to be highly articulate and accomplished, although on a cosmic level wealth means nothing -- we are measured by the content of our character and conscious development, not by the content of our bank account. But intellectual and philosophical enlightenment, whether light or dark, must be given the respect it deserves -- even Crowley was a worthy foe of those interested in the Good; but a side must be chosen and if you want to know what side any given person serves, always look at what they do with their knowledge and power. To put it in colloquial or vernacular terms, there are in this world three camps: Camp 1 is staffed by the Yoda's, Obi-one-Kenobi's and Luke Skywalkers of the world; Camp 2 is occupied by the Darth Vader's and Evil Emperors of this world; and Camp 3 is staffed by the largely ignorant masses of evolving souls that are encouraged by the one camp and victimized by the other; but both camps are always open to new "recruits."
So rather than nitpicking details, focus on what people say or do. What blessings do these "enlightened" ones bestow upon the world? Then choose a side, because as the Bible says (I am not Christian, but the point here is valid): "[The Lord says] I would thou wert cold or hot. So because thou art lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spew thee out of my mouth."
Choose a side; and know the side by the fruits -- saturate yourself in your choice, and do not be "lukewarm" because you will be ground in the gears history.
spes mea in Deo est

"We shall unleash the nihilists and the atheists and we shall provoke a great social-cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to all nations the effect of absolute-atheism; the origins of savagery and of most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the people will be forced to defend themselves against the world-minority of the world-revolutionaries and will exterminate those destroyers of civilization and the multitudes disillusioned with Christianity whose spirits will be from that moment without direction and leadership and anxious for an ideal, but without knowledge where to send its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal-manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer brought finally out into public view. A manifestation which will result from a general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and Atheism; both conquered and exterminated at the same time." Albert Pike - Freemason

He seems to know what he's on about. Sounds like a good reason to start getting the pitchforks ready though.

Welp!

Just found out I need to start looking at the dates!!!!!!!!!



Damn, this one goes wayyyyy back!

wow, is this a masonic promotional website. it sure seems like one. this whole thread seems like a worm on a hook. i realised the best way to get our info out there without masonic harrassment. we can just state our facts with a sprinkle of 10 foot lizards and ufo's. we all know to disregard the reptiles and spaceships but the masons will think it was posted by a lodge brother.

Personally, I don’t think they worship Satan.. I think they have knowledge that isn't given to the general public, and base their religious beliefs on that knowledge. It seems like all secret societies are OBSESSED with Egypt and the religion that is stemmed from the "Pyramid Days." Let's face it.. In those days, Egyptians were extremely intelligent people, and had mind blowing technology before quickly collapsing. Even with technology that we have today, we STILL can’t build the pyramids that they built centuries ago.
There is alot of symbols that they focus on that stems from that time in history.
Possible UFO worship? Who knows.

i have no evidence that "satan" himself has anything to do with this by name. the term satanic can be used in the context that the principals are anti-christian in nature. Christ was not down with astral projection, divination, or idolitry.

Originally posted by exjobie
i have no desire to share personal information with you regarding my experience in job's daughters.

Universal meaning of "I don't have evidence of wrong doing".

Originally posted by iHateMasons
Any one who worships in secrecy is nothing more then a cult. Masonry is nothing more then a very large cult of Lucifer.

I have all my pleasure to read this amazing lot of bull#.
Bull# about Lucifer, Satan, God and what ever you might find as names for the different states of mind that are generated by your inner ego.

The fact is that any one of us is "God", the way to him is inside of you and any one of you is the master in his own temple of Solomon, your material body.

When that body accesses the earth, the Kingdom of God, he finds himself back in the material world called Assiah. Now he is there and knows nothing more the eat, drink, # and piss to grow up. in a Tarot card-set, this is the fool, the card nr 0. So any of us is a 0 acting like a fool with a brain full of nothing, simply filled with darkness.

Once you open your eyes, Lucifer is there, the lightbringer, the one that leads your way from darkness to light. The first lightbringer for all of us is Venus, your own mother, Jupiter, your Father, then Mars, the teacher, your ennemi that is in permanent war with you and the black gypsie, Saturn, your priest. Later in life when you make your own way, you become Lucifer yourself and Jupiter at same time. You will learn by your own, you will teach what you learned to others.

The game is diabolic (diabolos means in greek divided spheres like the hour-glas or the diabolo you play with) since on all your way you are between two states of mind you need to keep in permanent balance. Call those states of mind the good and the bad, call the symbols that relate to it heaven and hell, god and satan, good and bad, the two pillars Jachin and Boaz in massonry.

The tree of life is made of 3 pillars, you are in the center, on right the mercy, on left the severity. In Islam we call it the house of freedom and house of war, in Koran described also as the winds that builds all and those that destroys all on his way and in Christianism the crucifixion where Jesus is on the cross in the center side by side with a good man crucified on right and a thief crucified on left and not knowing where and which direction to decide he asks "Lord, have you forsaken me". Jesus has been crucified on Galghata and in hebrew that word means inside your head.

So, this is what's about. All what you people find here is pure imagination and those ideas and stupid stories are same states of mind as those that most of our religions relate and also those that the wisdom of the ancients explain quiet easy and simple.

Instead of finding nothing or allmost here, start studying. Who searches finds.

And, do not search for god in the way religions relate to it, you will certainly live a serious deception.

Watch your thoughts: They become your words.
Watch your words: They become your actions.
Watch your actions: They become your habits.
Watch your habits: They become your character.
Watch your character: It becomes your destiny.

NO, I am not the Master of Assiah. Find your Massiah somewhere else.

Take care, all of you, the blind and deaf included

The tree of life is made of 3 pillars, you are in the center, on right the mercy, on left the severity. In Islam we call it the house of freedom and house of war, in Koran described also as the winds that builds all and those that destroys all on his way and in Christianism the crucifixion where Jesus is on the cross in the center side by side with a good man crucified on right and a thief crucified on left and not knowing where and which direction to decide he asks "Lord, have you forsaken me". Jesus has been crucified on Galghata and in hebrew that word means inside your head.

So, this is what's about. All what you people find here is pure imagination and those ideas and stupid stories are same states of mind as those that most of our religions relate and also those that the wisdom of the ancients explain quiet easy and simple.

I beleive the ancients had a description for zealots who slandered, and used deceit rather than promote truth and understanding...

ah yes....

Ahriman, is that who you follow?

Freemasonry has far more in common with the beleifs of your ancient ancestors then the extremism peddled now. Far more then you'll ever be willing to learn.

"I praise well-thought, well-spoken, and well-done thoughts, words, and deeds. I embrace all good thoughts, good words, and good deeds; I reject all evil thoughts, evil words, and evil deeds."

Please do study the wisdom of the ancients, much of their wisdom is based on the same principles masonry venerates. Masonry has MUCH in common with them. As opposed to those zealot and extremists now that peddle hate, and destructive natures.....one merely needs to check the fruit to see which theologies are rotten.

Perhaps you may wish to put down the koran long enough to read the Avesta

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