Originally posted by Becon of Light
uhh.. i was never asked to join.. but this one fella that i met once (i noticed the shriner symbol on his shirt) looked me straight in the eye after
about 5 minutes of casual conversation about the order and tried to pull a "Jedi" on me.. looked me right in the eye and said "Join us".. does
that count? (on a side note.. my employer {i was at work at the time} about dropped one in his trousers, he was standing just a few feet away and
totally agreed that this fellow tried to jedi me)
let me say that i was honored that he would do this. i know it is a taboo to ask someone to join the order.. and in a sense i wasnt asked, but told,
but with regard to "soliciting" someone to join.. it is really the same thing
Becon apparently it is a rule of the masons that they are not supposed to ask anyone to join, however this is not a perfect world and some obviously
do. It was done to me personally multiple times, by both friends and future relatives, as I stated in this thread over a year ago. I have also since
then heard the masons on this board tell stories of families that put some pretty heavy pressure on their kin to make them join, almost to the point
of what I would call being forced to join. This is all understandable and I can see where this could happen in any organization in which family
members want to pass on their linage with other family members.
Though I wrote what I said here over a year ago, some things have changed and some have not. I see that there is a fine line here that the masons do
not want to cross and where many tend to become insulted over the entire Satan/Lucifer issue. It is known that as a mason you believe in the divine
architect, the eastern light, the acquiring of knowledge, etc. It has been admitted by other masons that masonry is related to the OTO, Thermeticism,
Gnosticism, and Cabala. That many of its aspects are of Pagan origin, but they deny it’s a religion, and therefore that it has a god.
The thing that I have had a great deal of difficulty with trying to express is that there are certain deities of pagan origins, that have come down
through time, and though their names have changed and the names of their religions, you can track them by looking at their symbolism.
For example: Ishtar, Inanna, Astarte (
Where Easter comes from), Ashtart (
Ashtart was also identified with the goddess Sekhmet but seemingly
more often conflated, at least in part, with Isis to judge from the many images found of ‘Ashtart suckling a small child), Anunit,
Atarsamain, Isis, Venus, and Aphrodite are in fact the same deity handed down through history. The most common thread to this deity is the name "the
Queen of Heaven", a term used now by the Roman Catholic Church in identifying Mary and even some of the most famous statues of Mary with child are
actually statues of Isis...
Similarly there is a central theme to masonry that can be tracked through its symbolism, and which does appear in Cabala. So how can you blame
Christians for following this imagery to its final conclusion, regardless of how much the Masons scream that those Christians are full of ignorance
and hatered. If that symbolism is so unimportant anyway, and it causes so much strife to the masons, then would not the logical step be to throw it
out?
That is unless it truly is important to masonry, the message of masonry, and it’s not just doing fun/silly stuff to be part of a fraternity.
Through Masons deny that Luciferianism existed as a religion prior to the 1900’s, the deity that is related to it has, and existed back to at least
the days of cabala (truthfully since the beginnings of man), which is where (Cabala) much of their symbolism admittedly (by them in other threads)
comes from. I suggest tracking down whose Realm is the East, the planet Venus, the colors blue, silver and white, who’s realm is the air (the blue
silver and white), whose wife is symbolized by the Owl (such as the one sitting on top of the Masonic square and compass around the mall in Washington
DC); and there is little denying that there is a central deity to masonry even if the average modern day member is unaware of it. You can look this
stuff up through occult sites, Cabal site, and historical sites, without ever having to end up on a site such as masonwatch.org, or whatever site they
are always screaming about...
I am also not saying that there is a higher level of masons, but at some point there were founders, they might have been the ones that interjected
this stuff, knowing that they would get their point across, but the true meaning would be lost over time, and therefore be plausibly deniable by the
average dues paying Joe. Making the masons a teaching tool, an area where you learn the basics, then those that have the aptitude and the initiative
to do so can go on to another organization such as the Thermetic Order of the OTO (which is a religion, and from what I can tell of it is similar to
Cabala, in its summoning of Angles, Demons, and Deities to perform magic), others that look on it only as a fraternity for guys can go on to an
organization such as the Shiners, etc…
Well I must admit its been fun revisiting this thread after all this time, and seeing where I have changed some of my views, and modified some, where
I have learned things from the masons here and the members of the OTO. Yet seeing where some views are centrally still the same. It has been an
educational experience.
[edit on 10/17/2005 by defcon5]
I would be interested in reading some more literature on this. Can you send me some links? 