Rodents on Mars!!! The announcement NASA should have made?, page 15

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reply posted on 6-12-2012 @ 03:30 PM by ZetaRediculian

Originally posted by earthalien50
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We agree the distortion of reality is real, but both sides of the argument are influenced by this.
We also agree there is definitely not enough information for absolute proof on either side. I have never implied that this is undisputed truth, it is a hypothesis that has not been proven or disproved.

I agree with this. I think we disagree on the probability of the outcome. Perceptions are never 100% certain. For instance I have no idea I am comunicating with a person or a rodent martian from space right now.

I agree that pareidolia does exist and is common. But this accusation is not proof that it exists in this discussion.

I agree. I would say it's a high probability as with everything I see.

No malice intended, but claiming a psychological disorder is causing this disagreement on only one side appears to be presumptive, intimidating, and incorrect in my opinion.

psychological disorder? This is my frustration here in general. Pareidolia has nothing to do with a pshychological disorder. We all experience "psychology". I prefer brain physiology or biochemistry. We are all subject to a wide array perceptual phenomenon.

I argue that this HAS to be pareidolia because this is a one dimentional image. There is no depth or texture to the object that is unique to its surroundings. Even if this does turn out to be a Martian Rock Rat from Space, it is still pareidolia due to the fact that it is one flat image taken from one side comprised of light and dark pixels that form an image. There is not enough detail.

You said you see legs and a tail. There is none. when I zoom in where they should be, they disappear. Zoom out really fast and then you "see" it or rather your brain fills those details in.

take this as an example....

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reply posted on 6-12-2012 @ 04:00 PM by earthalien50

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Originally posted by drakus

I just believe that people should at least look at the evidence and question the TPTB.

How can you infer we don't "question TPTB" just from the fact that we don't agree with you?

You are correct, I should have made that clearer.
I do not think that everyone blindly accepts TPTB. Good try though. Great PR tactic.

Many of us explained exactly why we think that it is very really highly unlikely that a creature evolved under completely different conditions than a rat, just to look exactly like a rat.
And we said also that this is just a picture, you need a little more than that to make a scientific claim (like "there be mice here")

So if many explain exactly how they feel it is right? Science discovers new things every day, assuming that something is impossible in this case is just denial. I said it was an hypothesis, a scientific guess with not enough evidence to be a theory. No one can be proven right or wrong by the existing evidence.

This article might help you to understand why I think it is possible to have a rodent type creature on Mars. Nature adjusts to the environment and this can cause striking similarities between species.

But even more surprising to biologists is that some species that were so far apart on the evolutionary tree of life that they could be considered only distantly related seemed to look almost exactly the same.
How can two seemingly unrelated species that live in isolation from each other evolve into identical forms?

Sure, there are douches everywhere, but my advice would be to only engage those that show some kind of independent thought.

Good advice.

And NO, that doesn't mean agreeing with you. It means using analytic thought and not jumping to conclusions because I like those conclusions.

Where was “agreeing with you” mentioned in my posts. That assumption is incorrect. One can only change oneself.

I hope that no one thinks that analytical thinking is the sole domain of one side of this discussion. My guess is that there is a 10% chance of this being real. I do not mind criticism as long at it is fair and rational. Are you saying one side is motivated by liking the conclusions and the other is not? Could this be projection?

I assure you, most people here are really passionate about space and the unknow, even those who just see a rock!

I agree and have never made any claims to deny this fact. Once again these are not my words. I seek truth not subjective judgment of others.

reply posted on 6-12-2012 @ 04:23 PM by earthalien50

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Originally posted by ZetaRediculian

psychological disorder? This is my frustration here in general. Pareidolia has nothing to do with a psychological disorder. We all experience "psychology". I prefer brain physiology or biochemistry. We are all subject to a wide array perceptual phenomenon.

Pareidolia has something to do with psychological disorder, it is similar to obsessive-compulsive behavior. Where did you get your degree in psychology? Your frustration is self-induced.

I argue that this HAS to be pareidolia because this is a one dimensional image. There is no depth or texture to the object that is unique to its surroundings. Even if this does turn out to be a Martian Rock Rat from Space, it is still pareidolia due to the fact that it is one flat image taken from one side comprised of light and dark pixels that form an image. There is not enough detail.

Once again, where did you get your degree?

You said you see legs and a tail. There is none. when I zoom in where they should be, they disappear. Zoom out really fast and then you "see" it or rather your brain fills those details in.

You have made this abundantly clear that you don't see it. Proves absolutely nothing.

reply posted on 6-12-2012 @ 06:09 PM by dvsmike

Seriously, it looks nothing more than a rock.show the picture to someone else and don't mention the rodent and I'll bet they'll say the same.it's a rock

reply posted on 6-12-2012 @ 06:19 PM by SheopleNation

In my opinion, it's a rock. It's the same color as the rocks around it. Course, many animals have colors that blend in with their environment, but I still believe that it's clearly a rock. It without a doubt does look a lot like a rat though. No question about that. ~$heopleNation

reply posted on 6-12-2012 @ 06:25 PM by Phage

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Pareidolia has something to do with psychological disorder, it is similar to obsessive-compulsive behavior.

See any faces here? Congratulations, you have a psychological disorder.

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reply posted on 6-12-2012 @ 06:57 PM by winofiend

Has anyone thought to Email NASA and ask them for their opinion on this?

I know I know, they always lie.. Or never give you an honest answer.. or are bastards or something, I forget what witty quips you crazy kids come up with these days, but you never know, the guy or gal sitting behind the computer today might be the one... THE ONE..

If we can find mice on mars, by god we will find an honest nasa-arien.. We will find them and they will agree with our claims.. Deny Ignorance folks, and if you choose to ignore the fact that there are mice on mars, then you're just denying yourself.

It makes sense to me. Why else would they release this photo with the obvious mouse in it? I mean people breed them for gods sake, they should KNOW what a martian rat looks like.

And they also know that DUH... obviously on mars a rat would have evolved to eat dust and rocks.It's a nice try by the NASA NAZIS to fool us with psuedo science and waffle. Rats on mars dont eat cheese, you twits.

It's got an eye. And peredoilioiloia is obv. a made up term by the NWO to make people like us go away. They call us crazy, but WE KNOW BETTER.

That's a mouse on mars and if you don't believe it, more the fool on you twice! And a fool can't be fooled again. A man once said that, he too would agree that this is a mouse.

So.. anyone Emailed Nasa? Did you get a reply?

We must persist.

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reply posted on 6-12-2012 @ 07:02 PM by winofiend

reply to post by Spiro

Good-o.

I'm on the fence in regards to remote viewing. It's one of the topics I am very interested in, and like to read about.

Not all bad, am I.. But thats a rock..

reply posted on 6-12-2012 @ 07:38 PM by LightAssassin

reply to post by Unity_99

Interesting photos. Linky?

reply posted on 6-12-2012 @ 07:40 PM by LightAssassin

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I see faces but that one of the tree top right seems to also have a wooden pacifier/dummy laying before it.

You're trying to imply people have psychological disorders by planting photos that actually DO have faces in them.

Naughty naughty Phage.

reply posted on 6-12-2012 @ 07:43 PM by drakus

Originally posted by earthalien50
You are correct, I should have made that clearer.
I do not think that everyone blindly accepts TPTB. Good try though. Great PR tactic.

What PR? You seem to think I have an ulterior agenda. I do not. My only agenda is my curiosity.

So if many explain exactly how they feel it is right? Science discovers new things every day, assuming that something is impossible in this case is just denial. I said it was an hypothesis, a scientific guess with not enough evidence to be a theory. No one can be proven right or wrong by the existing evidence.

Proof is a tricky word in science.
What we have is years of study and observation vs a picture of something that looks like a rat.
The thing I don't get is why some prioritize that vague resemblance over all our scientific knowledge and common sense.
Believe me, I would LOVE for us to find life, any kind of life in our solar system. It is a big deal to me.
And because it's so important, I try to stay objective and not jump to unbased conclusions.

This article might help you to understand why I think it is possible to have a rodent type creature on Mars. Nature adjusts to the environment and this can cause striking similarities between species.

Yes, I agree that that can happen. But in that case we are talking about lifeforms that, originally, come from a single evolutionary tree and both born on earth. (as far as we know)
When we talk about mars, there are variables that are very very different from earth's (and there are similarities too, of course)
In mars life would have to have adapted to martian conditions.
And more so in MODERN mars. Which is a bit crap for life.
Like I said in another post. It is not an absolute impossibility. But if everything we know tells us one thing, to believe the opposite just because we saw a picture with a shape similar to a small rodent seems far-fetched.

Cheers mate.

reply posted on 6-12-2012 @ 08:29 PM by clearmind

egads!!!!!!!!, i can t believe that no one remembers this post...i guess it is a bit older than most of the current members....this is not the first time a possible 'rodent' has been spoted on mars....back in the day...2008...this is an interesting post..sorta gotta go thru a few pages and look at different photos....interesting .....

people are so quick to dismiss any life outside of earth....( it took me a while to find it...i even asked for help but nobody really reads the threads anymore).....i mean, does anybody really think that they would say..'hay everybody, we found animals on another planet..look and see..come one , come all and look at the life outside the planet earth'...????? you are naive if you think that the powers that be would ever come out and say that they found 'life' on another planet...one must step outside ones own personal opinions and look at the big picture of that type of discovery.....it is bigger than you or me..our own personal wants or opinions...the repercussions are monumental....

untill an allien actual lands in full light on this planet....in full site of everyone..we will all sit here and discuss the possibilities untill we are blue in the face......

and the post
www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply posted on 6-12-2012 @ 09:55 PM by douggie60

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It"s Super Squirrel... bloody rock ya moron. No wonder people don't believe what NASA post's and say's with crap like this. And some months back there was an Ape sitting on a rock..

reply posted on 6-12-2012 @ 10:42 PM by deadeyedick

reply to post by Phage

I just don't get the second down on the left.
It seems like you could do better that 9/10

On the other hand maybe i'm mental.

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reply posted on 6-12-2012 @ 10:43 PM by rblewis6

Here's a thought: why not send the rover back to the spot and see if it's still there? Rocks, even squirrel-looking ones on Earth or on Mars, don't move. If it's still there, problem solved. Take a picture and put this to rest. If it's gone, then the absence of evidence in this situation is evidence.

So back it up, guys...

reply posted on 6-12-2012 @ 11:09 PM by cookiemonster32

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OMG!!!! Phage do you know what this means,do you know what you have found here? The last resting place of the Titan Atlas well done bud,there he is immortalized in the rock.... The tree Dryad is kind of hot though.....

reply posted on 6-12-2012 @ 11:17 PM by cookiemonster32

reply to post by winofiend

I agree with yr martian rat/gerbil hypothesis although I say they are cannabalistic and breed like....well rats....to keep up with demand,and this guy you are talking about that was fooled once or twice maybe many times ,he didn't happen to have a secretary of defence with a lot of known knowns and unknowen knowns? This same guy also suffered from chronic Pareiwhatsists seeing WMD's where there were in fact none at all....?

reply posted on 7-12-2012 @ 01:02 AM by fleabit

Hmm.. a rock-colored object close to the ground like the rocks around it, with no greenry around.. no water.. no other animals. I'm going to have to go with a rock on this one.