Speaker Boehner PURGES principled conservatives from budget/fiscal committees, angers grassroots Rep

Originally posted by macman
reply to post by Indigo5

 

Good hell.
They are trying to get rid of those Libertarians and Tea Party members because they are not only not wanting to tow the party line, but want smaller, less restrictive Govt with lower taxes for ALL.
Neither party wants that.
The GOP has been a defunct home to those people for some time now, and are being shown the walking papers.

Funny, as what you state as a sole percentage of America being Liberals, Progressives is not backed by any numbers. Unless you maybe got to Think Progress.

The country is pretty much center right, with a growing percentage not really left or right, but of the Gimme Attitude. That knows no party lines or boundaries.

I do love hearing Progressives and Liberals telling the GOP how they should act and what to do. That is so typical of them. Always thinking they know what is best for others. And then working to cram it down their throats.

I would dare to argue that the majority of the American public stands behind democratic ideas and principles, as evidenced by the recent presidential election.

Also, It's not just the GOP and democrats who want to get rid of the Tea Party... The public wants them out as well. Only 41% of net support. source

Originally posted by eLPresidente

Originally posted by GreenGlassDoor
reply to post by eLPresidente

 

What lie are they perpetrating?

I think the point of this thread went completely over your head.

LOL eLPresidente.

Republicans have become to believe that the most important thing to do is to get Republicans elected no matter what, even at the cost of spitting on their own Republican ideals. The Republican ideals somehow have become less valuable to them then the party itself.

Originally posted by macman

Funny, as what you state as a sole percentage of America being Liberals, Progressives is not backed by any numbers. Unless you maybe got to Think Progress.

I didn't cite percentages of "Liberals" or "Progressives"? And you included "Mderates" in that equation?

Originally posted by macman

They are eating their own, all in some vain attempt to get Liberals, Progressives and Moderates to 'like' them.

Do you think that the left + plus the moderate middle of both parties is the minority??? I know Karl Rove et al did, thus the panic and shock come election night as the numbers rolled in.

Originally posted by macman

The country is pretty much center right,

Yah...But the "Center Right" is derided as communists and socialists by the far right that the GOP has thus far pandered to. Anyone who even once votes "center right" in DC has been burnt at the stake as a "Rino" (Republican in Name Only).

It is definietly a perception problem. To the far right...Moderate GOP are Socialists!...It's the same warped view of the world that led to the disconnect come election night where everyone from Fox News to the Romney campaign where confused on what happened...while folks like Nate Silver, who was called a "Gay Liberal"...was actually just doing math.

The country might very well be center right...but Center-Right are now Democrats with the shift of the GOP to the far right....at least according to the Far-Right.

reply to post by brianmg5


Yeah, that is why Tea Party Membership is still growing.
dailycaller.com...
And that was just last year.
Sure sure.


Oh, from your report.

METHODOLOGY – This ABC News/Washington Post poll was conducted by telephone April 5-8, 2012, among a random national sample of 1,003 adults, including landline and cell-phoneonly respondents. Results have a margin of sampling error of 4 points for the full sample. The 4 survey was produced for ABC News by Langer Research Associates of New

So your sample was of 1000 people in the New York Area, and that is the total view from America???

Government is no longer a viable solution to society. When the different sides of politics took to destroying each other instead of working together to find a workable solution it started going down hill. Both sides have viable solutions and if they could work to meet somewhere in the middle America would flourish. Since the media has taken sides America is teetering on the edge of doom. Neither party is viable for the average American. We are going down my friends and there is no stopping the fall.

Originally posted by Indigo5


I didn't cite percentages of "Liberals" or "Progressives"? And you included "Mderates" in that equation?

Moderates are those that can't make a decision.
Liberals and Progressives are not the majority.

Originally posted by Indigo5

Do you think that the left + plus the moderate middle of both parties is the minority??? I know Karl Rove et al did, thus the panic and shock come election night as the numbers rolled in.

There are no longer moderates in the Dems..
Karl Rove is the GOP line kind of guy.
No, the numbers shows a much lower turn out for 0bama, and a low turn out for Romney. Total number turn out was low. Seems people were less then enthused on both sides. But, the Dems have a great ground game, and the pitch for free stuff got the votes they needed.

Originally posted by Indigo5

Yah...But the "Center Right" is derided as communists and socialists by the far right that the GOP has thus far pandered to. Anyone who even once votes "center right" in DC has been burnt at the stake as a "Rino" (Republican in Name Only).

Who said they were such?
Center Right is basically Dem lite.
And no, as most in the GOP are RINOs, or Dems in Rep clothing.

Originally posted by Indigo5
It is definietly a perception problem. To the far right...Moderate GOP are Socialists!...It's the same warped view of the world that led to the disconnect come election night where everyone from Fox News to the Romney campaign where confused on what happened...while folks like Nate Silver, who was called a "Gay Liberal"...was actually just doing math.

Who said Moderates were such?

Originally posted by Indigo5
The country might very well be center right...but Center-Right are now Democrats with the shift of the GOP to the far right....at least according to the Far-Right.

It is Center right, yet is more beholden to free Govt crap.

Originally posted by macman
reply to post by usernameconspiracy

 

I think you meant to say "Replace them with someone that will tow the party line and not have any sense of morality"

that's right....tow the party line....act like a conservative, not a nutball. the tea party has no idea of the consequences that their particular brand of legislation would have. it may sound good on paper, or in a political one-liner on FOX, but it is not good for the country

reply to post by jimmyx


Those in the GOP, with an exception of maybe 5, are not Conservatives.
Your info is wrong.

And yeah, making the Govt act responsible and stop spending money they don't have, stop taxing people more and more, stop the Fed Govt from accumulating more and more control, stop the Fed Govt from creating more and more laws to control the people and actually have a budget that would operate within the real world is SUCH a pitch from nutcases.

Sure sure then, sure sure.

Originally posted by macman
reply to post by usernameconspiracy

 

I think you meant to say "Replace them with someone that will tow the party line and not have any sense of morality"

Nope, I sure didn't. Obstructionists on either side of the aisle are nothing but destructive right now. When everything is rosey, they can pick their fights. Numerous viable solutions have been offered up only to have a few tea party obstructionists piss all over every one of them. Time for them to find something else to do.

reply to post by usernameconspiracy


So just because we are in a bad position, that means, in your mind to through values and principles into the wind and capitulate to what the others want, knowing full well that only takes us to the same destination at a later date?

That is mind boggling.

Originally posted by jimmiec
Government is no longer a viable solution to society. When the different sides of politics took to destroying each other instead of working together to find a workable solution it started going down hill. Both sides have viable solutions and if they could work to meet somewhere in the middle America would flourish. Since the media has taken sides America is teetering on the edge of doom. Neither party is viable for the average American. We are going down my friends and there is no stopping the fall.

wrong...the democratic party is for the average american, the republican party is for corporations, and the wealthy. this last election the republicans put up a wall street investment banker for it's candidate, how obvious does it have to get?

Originally posted by jimmiec
Government is no longer a viable solution to society. When the different sides of politics took to destroying each other instead of working together to find a workable solution it started going down hill. Both sides have viable solutions and if they could work to meet somewhere in the middle America would flourish. Since the media has taken sides America is teetering on the edge of doom. Neither party is viable for the average American. We are going down my friends and there is no stopping the fall.

sorry double post

reply to post by macman

Yeah, that is why Tea Party Membership is still growing. dailycaller.com... And that was just last year. Sure sure.

More members doesn't equate to a higher approval rating. Especially considering that anyone newly joining the Tea Party probably approved of the Tea Party in the first place.

Oh, from your report. METHODOLOGY – This ABC News/Washington Post poll was conducted by telephone April 5-8, 2012, among a random national sample of 1,003 adults, including landline and cell-phoneonly respondents. Results have a margin of sampling error of 4 points for the full sample. The 4 survey was produced for ABC News by Langer Research Associates of New

So your sample was of 1000 people in the New York Area, and that is the total view from America???

You should re-read what you quoted from the poll as it states that this was a "national sample." Not sure how you got the impression the polling was limited to New York. Even Fox news shows only a 30% approval rating as of March this year. Source

The point I was trying to make is that the Tea Party doesn't represent the will of most Americans. They've introduced their beliefs to the public and the public has rejected those beliefs. I guess I'm not suprized they continue to fight for what they believe in, I would too. However, the more they fight and refuse to compromise, the more likely they'll be voted out. I would hope the right could at the very least admit this to themselves. They seem to be in complete denial about these facts.

reply to post by jimmyx


Oh really? This old tired pitch of Dems are for the little people and Reps are for the wealthy?

Shall we look at party contributions? Say from companies like GE?
What did GE pay to the Dem party and what was it that GE paid in taxes again?
Or shall we look at party affiliation from say, I don't know, the super wealthy, like any high paid movie actor?
Or, shall we look at the idea that "For the people" means food stamps and welfare for everyone?
Or, that the extremely powerful and very wealthy Unions back the Dem party?
How about contributions from outside the country?

Yeah, they are for the little person as much as Warren Buffet would give me a million dollars to spend on coke and hookers.

Originally posted by macman
reply to post by jimmyx

 

Those in the GOP, with an exception of maybe 5, are not Conservatives.
Your info is wrong.

And yeah, making the Govt act responsible and stop spending money they don't have, stop taxing people more and more, stop the Fed Govt from accumulating more and more control, stop the Fed Govt from creating more and more laws to control the people and actually have a budget that would operate within the real world is SUCH a pitch from nutcases.

Sure sure then, sure sure.

edit on 5-12-2012 by macman because: (no reason given)

the federal government hasn't been taxing people more and more. we have the lowest tax rates in decades. bush and the republicans passed the tax breaks WITH A SUNSHINE CLAUSE, they are the ones that said taxes should go back up after a set time. the republicans pushed and passed laws spying on americans, sending jobs overseas, eliminating protections for workers, etc. the democrats are for controlling capital to benefit the people, the republicans are for controlling the people to benefit capital.

Just another distraction. There will be no compromise, even though Boehner's plan and Obama's plan are not really all that different, and neither solve anything. We will go over the dreaded "fiscal cliff" and everyone's taxes will go up, which is by design. Then shortly after that, Obama will come in and give the middle class and poor people a tax cut. This way he looks like the hero, and he also gets what he wants... more $$$ from the rich. This is all for nothing, because we went off of the fiscal cliff when Bush announced the first round of bailouts, now all they are doing is continuing to put band-aids on the problem. They are running out of band-aids. Very soon, the bond bubble will burst in the UK and here in the US and the economy will crash like you have never seen, and then the dominoes will start to fall. I hope everyone is ready for the hell that comes with it.

Originally posted by brianmg5


More members doesn't equate to a higher approval rating. Especially considering that anyone newly joining the Tea Party probably approved of the Tea Party in the first place.

Yeah, ok. That makes perfect sense.
More people joining means that more people don't agree with them. Yeah, okay then.
Oh, you mean Dems or the MSM don't agree with them.
Or, those 1000 telephoned people taking a poll within the New York Area, right?

Originally posted by MDDoxs
You should re-read what you quoted from the poll as it states that this was a "national sample." Not sure how you got the impression the polling was limited to New York. Even Fox news shows only a 30% approval rating as of March this year. Source

It was stated the polling was from the New York Area.
And no, as what I stated, they clearly printed their method of doing so.
Lets say it was nationally. I fail to see where 1000 people spread across the US, answering the phone from an unknown source asking questions provides clear and concrete data showing that the TP is not liked.
It seems that when people like something, they either buy it or join it in higher numbers. Funny, as membership still keeps growing, despite what 1000 people stated on a phone call.

Originally posted by MDDoxs

The point I was trying to make is that the Tea Party doesn't represent the will of most Americans.

Oh, and the Dems do???
What is the Dem party membership growth as compared to Tea Party membership growth?
I have not seen an article discussing people leaving the Tea Party to go back to the Dems or Reps.
Seems there are many of articles on the other side though.

Originally posted by MDDoxs

They've introduced their beliefs to the public and the public has rejected those beliefs.

Yep, with increased membership and still retaining elected positions.

Originally posted by MDDoxs
I guess I'm not suprized they continue to fight for what they believe in, I would too. However, the more they fight and refuse to compromise, the more likely they'll be voted out. I would hope the right could at the very least admit this to themselves. They seem to be in complete denial about these facts.

You don't want compromise, you want them to give in.

I don't want them to compromise, I want them to stand their ground, because what is being offered goes against principles and common sense in math.

Originally posted by macman
reply to post by jimmyx

 

Oh really? This old tired pitch of Dems are for the little people and Reps are for the wealthy?

Shall we look at party contributions? Say from companies like GE?
What did GE pay to the Dem party and what was it that GE paid in taxes again?
Or shall we look at party affiliation from say, I don't know, the super wealthy, like any high paid movie actor?
Or, shall we look at the idea that "For the people" means food stamps and welfare for everyone?
Or, that the extremely powerful and very wealthy Unions back the Dem party?
How about contributions from outside the country?

Yeah, they are for the little person as much as Warren Buffet would give me a million dollars to spend on coke and hookers.

the overwhelming contributions from corporations goes to republicans.
people that work full time at wal-mart get food stamps because they make so little in wages
unions make up only 13% of the nations workers...extremely powerful???...13% of the workforce??
the right-wing supreme court authorized secret political contributions that could originate from foreign interests with their citizens united decision

Originally posted by jimmyx

the federal government hasn't been taxing people more and more. we have the lowest tax rates in decades. bush and the republicans passed the tax breaks WITH A SUNSHINE CLAUSE, they are the ones that said taxes should go back up after a set time.

Yet, the Dems want to allow the tax cut to expire for certain people.
I have yet to see a tax break offered for the middle class from the Dems.
All this is, is for the tax cuts to continue.
The expiration was part of that grand "Compromise" crap that is pitched.

Originally posted by MDDoxs
the republicans pushed and passed laws spying on americans,

Yeah, with no push back from Dems. All the evil Reps.
Seems that 0bama and Dems are very comfortable with the laws in place. In fact, they have used said laws and expanded upon them.

Originally posted by MDDoxs
sending jobs overseas, eliminating protections for workers, etc.

Yep, because the Dems have fought so hard for that not to happen.
What protections?
Sending jobs overseas is a result of higher taxes, higher regulation and more restrictions from a Govt.
The company is there to create a profit, not to employ people. Employment is a by product that is rewarded with money.

Originally posted by MDDoxs
the democrats are for controlling capital to benefit the people, the republicans are for controlling the people to benefit capital.

Yeah, what are those numbers again, of say GE and their taxes paid and contributions to the Dem party?

It seems that the Dems are wanting to push for more restrictive laws against the citizens, say like 0bamacare and it forcing people to buy health insurance or be fined.

You keep telling yourself that, if it makes you feel better at night.

Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by brianmg5


More members doesn't equate to a higher approval rating. Especially considering that anyone newly joining the Tea Party probably approved of the Tea Party in the first place.

Yeah, ok. That makes perfect sense.
More people joining means that more people don't agree with them. Yeah, okay then.
Oh, you mean Dems or the MSM don't agree with them.
Or, those 1000 telephoned people taking a poll within the New York Area, right?

Originally posted by MDDoxs
You should re-read what you quoted from the poll as it states that this was a "national sample." Not sure how you got the impression the polling was limited to New York. Even Fox news shows only a 30% approval rating as of March this year. Source

It was stated the polling was from the New York Area.
And no, as what I stated, they clearly printed their method of doing so.
Lets say it was nationally. I fail to see where 1000 people spread across the US, answering the phone from an unknown source asking questions provides clear and concrete data showing that the TP is not liked.
It seems that when people like something, they either buy it or join it in higher numbers. Funny, as membership still keeps growing, despite what 1000 people stated on a phone call.

Originally posted by MDDoxs

The point I was trying to make is that the Tea Party doesn't represent the will of most Americans.

Oh, and the Dems do???
What is the Dem party membership growth as compared to Tea Party membership growth?
I have not seen an article discussing people leaving the Tea Party to go back to the Dems or Reps.
Seems there are many of articles on the other side though.

Originally posted by MDDoxs

They've introduced their beliefs to the public and the public has rejected those beliefs.

Yep, with increased membership and still retaining elected positions.

Originally posted by MDDoxs
I guess I'm not suprized they continue to fight for what they believe in, I would too. However, the more they fight and refuse to compromise, the more likely they'll be voted out. I would hope the right could at the very least admit this to themselves. They seem to be in complete denial about these facts.

You don't want compromise, you want them to give in.

I don't want them to compromise, I want them to stand their ground, because what is being offered goes against principles and common sense in math.

edit on 5-12-2012 by macman because: (no reason given)

Your logic doesn't make sense in regards to new membership equating to higher approval rating. I'm not surprised they have new members joining up. They just lost an election and are motivated to become active.

I've given you two credible polls (one of the them is even from FOX) to provide you with evidence and you've chosen to deny them, and instead tell yourself the polls are somehow wrong. At this point I may as well be arguing with a brick wall.

Please read my signature. If you follow that advice, you may be able to free yourself from the bubble of ignorance you're enshrouded in.