Speaker Boehner PURGES principled conservatives from budget/fiscal committees, angers grassroots Rep

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posted on Dec, 4 2012 @ 10:42 PM
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There is a MAJOR backlash to what he did yesterday. Mostly all major conservative organizations are pissed about what just happened, even big time neocon apologists like Mark Levin and Rush Limbaugh are smack-talking the GOP establishment.

The smoke and mirrors are slowly being exposed by the liberty movement.

Watch the news story here:
www.fox19.com...

Here is what Justin Amash (one of the purged congressmen) had to say about the situation on his official facebook page: www.facebook.com...



Rumor has it that I’ve been removed from the House Committee on the Budget. Remarkably, I still have not received a single call, e-mail, or text from Republican leadership confirming this story. In fact, I wouldn’t even have learned about it if not for the news reports. I look forward to hearing from my party’s leadership about why my principled, conservative voting record offends them. That’s sure to be a lively and entertaining conversation.

In the meantime, I can only speculate as to what specifically would make Republican leadership punish several of its party’s most principled members. Rep. Tim Huelskamp, who was kicked off of both Budget and the Committee on Agriculture, voted with me against the 2013 House budget resolution because it does not sufficiently address the federal government’s debt crisis. That was one of only three times during this Congress that I voted against the Chairman’s recommendations in committee. In fact, I voted with the Republican Chairman more than 95% of the time, and I have voted with my party’s leadership more than three-quarters of the time on the House floor.

What message does leadership’s heavy-handedness send? It says that independent thinking won’t be tolerated, not even 5% of the time. It says that voting your conscience won’t be respected. It says that fulfilling your commitment to your constituents to work with both Republicans and Democrats to reduce our debt takes a back seat to the desires of corporate special interests. And, most troubling for our party, it says to the growing number of young believers in liberty that their views are not welcome here.

I’ll miss working with my colleagues on Budget. I don’t relish this situation, but if one thing is clear based on the response from the grassroots, it’s that leadership’s actions will backfire. If they think kicking me off of a committee will lead me to abandon my principles or stifle my bipartisan work toward a balanced budget, I have a message for them: You’re dead wrong.
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posted on Dec, 4 2012 @ 11:38 PM
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So what? This whole thing is just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. There really is no way we can repay $16 Trillion in our current system. The Tea Party Republicans will be obstructionist and just put a drag on things. We can't do the right thing because the President will veto it, so we're just going to do the wrong thing. Why wast
time on prolonging the inevitable?

If I were Boehner I would do this: go to the President and say, here is a blank piece of paper. Write down your objectives and what you want and we will do it on two conditions. First, Biden resigns and you appoint Romney as VP. Second, if that economic objective isn't achieved in two years you resign.

Obama is going to get what he wants out of this mess. The best thing for we Republicans can do is give him enough rope and prove to America that his policies are failed ideas.
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posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 12:34 AM
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The point isn't the figure that comes out of the budget in the end. The point is how the GOP establishment (establishment in general) claims to be one thing and acts like another.

The point is to expose liars and crooks.



posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 12:50 AM
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What lie are they perpetrating? The GOP is rooted in limited government and the power of the individual. We have been out manuevered by Barry O. Now is the time for strategy to salvage the situation and not clinge to vestages of an old empire. Creating a poltical quagmire only promotes the Democrat agenda of powerful government and being a subject as the agreed upon austerity will only increase taxes and the trampling of American exceptionalism.



posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 02:16 AM
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obstructionist.....you have no idea what you are talking about. It is time to stop this nonsense of pretending to do something but having it be just more spending and more compromise. Last I heard, it was Obama who refused to work with Republicans.

The liberal in-the-tank-for Obama-and-the-NWO media demonized the Tea Party for caring what happens to our country's economy.




not clinge to vestages of an old empire


What old empire are you referring to? The USA is barely a couple hundred years old. Are you suggesting that the Tea Party is clinging to the vestiges of the former empire of the Founding Fathers and the Constitution? You sound more like a RINO in my opinion. Maybe I misunderstand what you are looking for the GOP to do? Are you in the camp of becoming more Democrat to stay GOP?
Maybe it is Boehner and the rest of the GOP RINO Establishment CFR people clinging to the old ways of letting the NWO function as Shadow Govt.

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posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 02:29 AM
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Originally posted by GreenGlassDoor
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What lie are they perpetrating?


I think the point of this thread went completely over your head.



posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 02:58 AM
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I guess so. Please spell out the lie for me. The Speaker does have the power to arrange committes.



posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 03:15 AM
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Sure, I'm a RINO. Don't forget NEOCON too. Now we have that out the way, let's move on.

So are Bachmann, Sean Hannity, and Glenn Beck in your tea party too? They sure seem to think so.

Politics is the art of the compromise. Unfortunateky, some people think they have a monopoly on how the government should look, with a glossy revisionism of history to boot. In most places we call that authoritarianism, bur whatever you think is a fit name for said monopoly we will go with it.

Should we go back to having Senators elected by the state legislators? How about slaves? Or that the Bill of Rights only applied to the Federal government and not the states (see Baron v Baltimore)? You see, laying claim to wanting some kind of return to the principles of the Founding Fathers is intellectually dishonest. You could get away with wanting a strict constructionist interpretation of the Constitution, but you didn't. The same old 'we are the inheritors of the Founders' malarky.

What I want is to have a system that benefits everyone. Unfortunately, if we go into austerity Obama takes all and America will become a European-style socialist system. Now is not the time for platitudes and ideas that aren't well thought out, but sound cool.

Boehner changing thw batting order should be pretty obvious about the contribution tea party and social conservatives are making. There is room for common ground, not making puerile demands.

The old empire is the one that was creeated in the wake of Soviet Union and the US became the monopolar power.

Read up on Barry Goldwater and Goldwater conservatism. You will embarass yourself less in the future.



posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 03:51 AM
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some people think they have a monopoly on how the government should look, with a glossy revisionism of history to boot


Yes, that would be the CFR who have members of both Democrat and Republican, wouldn't it?

Slaves? Are you for real? You sound more like a liberal Democrat pretending to be Republican for the purpose of scourging and criticism. Neocon? I rarely use that term, as it was coined by a Socialist to refer to someone who was Left and moved Right, and liberals tend to overuse the term to refer to any Republican they do not like. It is almost always liberal Democrats who whine and moan about how the slaves were not freed the instant the Constitution was signed and further make insolent remarks to real conservatives about how they must be pining for the return of slavery. What a disgusting display.
If you want to talk about slavery, get real, and realize we are all enslaved by the encroaching Totalitarian NWO agenda.
Strange how if there's a R in back of a name it's fascism, but the same actions done by someone with a D suddenly become ok.



Read up on Barry Goldwater and Goldwater conservatism. You will embarass yourself less in the future.


How utterly tiresome! Are you going to also lecture me on how sad it is that the Kennedy Camelot was ruined by the Bush cabal?
You are lecturing me on how to be a conservative and yet you are defending the very things that make Republicans not conservative. It is either disinfo or you could be a liberal in GOP clothing, just like the other RINO's.
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posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 04:03 AM
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So is that a "no?"

Considering you conjured up nonsense I'm guessing you don't have a rebuttal.



posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 04:06 AM
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Originally posted by GreenGlassDoor
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So is that a "no?"

Considering you conjured up nonsense I'm guessing you don't have a rebuttal.


My rebuttal is if you are defending the Establishment GOP and demonizing Tea Party, you are not a true conservative.
Go ahead and lecture me about Barry Goldwater, but how about I recommend reading "The Establishment's Man", and while you are at it, please pick up every book written by Antony Sutton you can find.

Maybe your motto ought to be "if you can't beat em join em"

I wish Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe would just go Democrat with Arlen Specter where they belong.




Or that the Bill of Rights only applied to the Federal government and not the states (see Baron v Baltimore)? You see, laying claim to wanting some kind of return to the principles of the Founding Fathers is intellectually dishonest. You could get away with wanting a strict constructionist interpretation of the Constitution, but you didn't. The same old 'we are the inheritors of the Founders' malarky.


Oh give me a break! Platitudes? yah buddy you are the one saying to compromise so's we don't have to confront Obama. Let's just not make a fuss about it and not cut spending so we can pretend things are going to be ok. So you don't want austerity because you feel that somehow confronting the Obama spendthrift is going to give him the upper hand? He already does what he wants via Executive Order and feels he has a right to go around Congress. No, let's not confront the most unConstitutional Prez in American history since Woodrow Wilson. Again, I say, are you really GOP or a Democrat in sheep's clothing?
Conjuring up things? You are the one conjuring up some kind of goofy return to slavery. What utter nonsense! Only Democrats say that stuff.
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posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 08:54 AM
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OP,

Do you think conservatives realize that they've lost support by the public? If I were them, I would be worried about losing all their power come 2014 in the midterm elections. The more they resist the will of the people (polls show the public supports taxing the upper 2%, and the republicans will be blamed for going over the fiscal cliff) the more they risk losing all power in government.

I understand they want to stick to their principles, but will they do this until they're completely voted out of power? I believe Boehner is simply doing his best to actually compromise with the democrats to come up with a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff, and show the public that the republicans can work with democrats. He understands that the public wants to see republicans and democrats work together. The public understands we have 2 political parties in our system, and they need to compromise and cooperate to get things done for the people. Do the republicans really think they're going to win seats in 2014 by refusing to bend on these issues?

I feel like the republican party is in a state of denial. The only reason they were able to keep the house is because of redistricting. Yet they act, and maybe believe, they were voted in with a mandate. Do you think republicans have honestly even considered these possibilities?



posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 09:01 AM
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And that is why I am not republican.
They are eating their own, all in some vain attempt to get Liberals, Progressives and Moderates to 'like' them.

Glen Beck is right, the GOP is the Whig Party.



posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 09:47 AM
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Although the rationale seems to be something of a moving target, as I understand it the Republicans' intransigence regarding increasing tax rates on the wealthy is beacuse it will negatively affect job creation and have an overall negative impact on the fragile economy. First, it's important to point out that the proposed rate increase brings rates back to less than what they were in the Clinton era for the wealthiest semi-decile. Since the enacting of the 'Bush tax cuts' the rate of job creation (and the health of the economy in general) have gone from bad to worse. In fact, if you bother to look at the data, there has never been any correlation between upper tier tax rates and the rate of job creation OR the overall expansion of the economy. It's propaganda.

Mitt Romney and President Obama have both said that the wealthiest Americans have been doing fine during these 'hard times'. The data confirms this. Wealth has accreted to the top semi-decile over the last decade at an unprecedented rate. This windfall has largely come from their gobbling-up the wealth that once belonged to the middle class that has seen their collective net-worth plummet over that same time span.

There have been three principal pillars of Republican tax policy: lowering upper tier tax rates; reducing or eliminating capital gains tax; and eliminating the estate tax. The first is self evident. It's important to point out, however, that the wealthy do not earn their income through W-2 or even 1099s. Most is through investment income which falls under capital gains. Less than 10% of Americans have any appreciable amount of income that is taxed under capital gains. Almost 90% of all investment vehicles are owned by the wealthiest decile. When they work to eliminate the capital gains tax (currently about half of the normal tax rate for longterm investments) they are working to eliminate taxing their income. It would be akin to our wanting to eliminate income taxes. A great deal if you can get it. Estate taxes again primarily affect only the wealthy. Almost 90% of Americans will die with no appreciable assets and hence, no estate to tax.

For some reason, the wealthy feel they are entitled to a tax system that favors them. No one is trying to screw them, take away their wealth, or wage class warfare. Most Americans --- as evidenced by the last election --- simply want some equity in the system. Look at historical tax rates as they relate to expansion of the economy. The Republican argument is without merit. And their ingtransigence is at their own peril.



posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 10:55 AM
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Originally posted by eLPresidente
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The point isn't the figure that comes out of the budget in the end. The point is how the GOP establishment (establishment in general) claims to be one thing and acts like another.

The point is to expose liars and crooks.



IT IS SURVIVAL MODE. The GOP has two choices...to police its own extemists or to continue the spiral toward obsolescence.

So Freedworks/Tea Party is having a tantrum? They just spent more on a campaign cycle than anyone has in history and LOST. What do you think that tells the GOP?

Political leanings aside...the GOP can continue to slide to the farthest reaches of it's right wing and lose all power or they can try to shift back to middle and survive.

That is just the facts...and Boehner and even Cantor know this.



posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 10:59 AM
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Originally posted by macman
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And that is why I am not republican.
They are eating their own, all in some vain attempt to get Liberals, Progressives and Moderates to 'like' them.


By "liberals" + "Progressives" + "Moderates" (GOP & Dems)...you mean everyone in the country that isn't Libertarian or TP?...the vast majority of Americans?

I am with you...let the GOP continue to pander to the extremists in the right wing....then they will become a footnote in the history books. Americans see the far right as Obstructionist, Ignorant and Corrupt.



posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 11:44 AM
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Good hell.
They are trying to get rid of those Libertarians and Tea Party members because they are not only not wanting to tow the party line, but want smaller, less restrictive Govt with lower taxes for ALL.
Neither party wants that.
The GOP has been a defunct home to those people for some time now, and are being shown the walking papers.

Funny, as what you state as a sole percentage of America being Liberals, Progressives is not backed by any numbers. Unless you maybe got to Think Progress.

The country is pretty much center right, with a growing percentage not really left or right, but of the Gimme Attitude. That knows no party lines or boundaries.

I do love hearing Progressives and Liberals telling the GOP how they should act and what to do. That is so typical of them. Always thinking they know what is best for others. And then working to cram it down their throats.



posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 11:46 AM
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Smartest thing Boener has done in two years. Those two have voted against every single budget option the GOP has come up with, so he got them off the budget committee. They were a waste of time.



posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 11:57 AM
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I should remind you that last summer, Boener had a budget agreement and debt ceiling agreement ready to roll and pretty much sealed for approval from all sides until these two clowns and their misguided buddies threw a fit about it. They are the reason we are still screwing around with this crap to begin with. Nothing will ever be good enough for them, even if a deal was reached to cut all spending by 99 percent! So good riddance to rubbish. Replace them with people who want to actually get something done!



posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 12:01 PM
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I think you meant to say "Replace them with someone that will tow the party line and not have any sense of morality"





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