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Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
HAARP conspiracy theorists dont really know what they are talking about when "identifying" facilities and power
Eg here is one list of "worldwide HAARP ionospheric heaters"
HAARP (belting out MOAR than 1.21 GIGAWATTS!)
Gakona, Alaska, USA
Estimated >4 GW ERP : 2.8 – 10 MHz at 3.6 MW]
You know, here we go with science and probabiity.
I couch my ereply in suxh terms, because of an endless frustration here that if we don'r have certain epproved source, and a lack of photoshop "evidence," we will be dismised. And partucularly in this area, not just "debunked," but totally dismissed without belief.
This is what the other side wants. Nearly eceryone who has come forward has been forgotten aa the circle has
continued to be spun, and so on and so forth, no matter where you are. For rhose of us that know what I am speaking of, surely you see that it has been turned upside down, purposely and with malice, only in the effort to punish, whilst blaming what isn't to blame.
rlecpmtoniedTROMSO
Ramfjordmoen, Near Tromsø, Norway
1 GW : 222.8-225.4 MHz
(upgrading to 100 GIGAWATT in a move to pwn HAARP) Tromsø EISCAT 3D Details
SURA
Vasilsursk, Nizhny Novgorod Oblast, Russia
190 MW ERP- 4.5-9.3 MHz
ARECIBO
Arecibo, Puerto Rico
2.5 MW : 430 MHz (center frequency)
NMRF – NATIONAL MST RADAR FACILITY
Gadanki, Andra Pradesh, India
2.5 MW – 53 MHz
SUPERDARN – JICAMARCA
Lima, Peru
2 MW : 49.92 MHz
SHIGARAKI MU OBSERVATORY
Shigaraki MU observatory, Shigaraki, Japan
1 MW – 46.5 MHz
HIPAS
Fairbanks, Alaska. USA
High Power Auroral Stimulation Observatory
70 MW – 2.85-4.53 MHz
THE RUSSIAN WOODPECKER
“Woodpecker” Duga Radar Array, Chenobyl, Ukraine
РЛС Дуга-1 Чернобыль-2
(Radar arch-1 Chernobyl-2)
URAN VLBI (very long baseline interferometer)
Facilities: GURT, UTR-2, URAN-1, URAN-2, URAN-3, URAN-4
Ukraine
MAARSY
The Middle Atmosphere Alomar Radar System (MAARSY)
Andøya, Norway
800 kW – 53.5MHz
Poker Flat MST Radar
Imaging Riometer
Poker Flat, Alaska, USA
As has already been pointed out, HIPAs has been shut down and most of the equiment sold as surplus years ago
Shigaraki MU , MAARSY, Poker Flat, the Russian "Woodpecker" aer all atmospheric radars.
URAN VLBI is an interferometer for a radio telescope array - no longer functional.
the common feature of them and eth actual ionospheric heaters is that they all use similar arrays of vertical antenna or dipoles fixed to the ground.
and the power thing shows little understanding of what "Effective Radiated Power" (ERP) actually is.
To put it simply - a focused radio transmitter can achieve a higher power in a small area than a transmitter of the same power that transmits equally in all directions.
the "ERP" of a transmitter is the power that an unfocused transmitter would require in order to achieve the same power level at a given range over its entire shpere of transmission.
So HAARP uses 3.6 MW of power - but it focuses it onto a relatively small area. If an unfocused transmitter tried to achieve he same power level at het same range it would require up to 5 giga-watts of power to do so.
But HAARP itself does not transmit 5 GW. And simlarly the ERP's of other facilites reflect the efficiency gained by focusing the rtransmissions, not the actual power transmitted.
Originally posted by Pervius
The first weaponized use of directional radio was by the Nazi's in WWII.
Who took control of the former nazi high power radio towers after WWII?
"TWR".....supposedly a christian outfit to blast the 'word' around the globe.
Why would a christian group need directional radio
and where on earth have they been getting their fortune to power their millions of watts transmitters every year?? Why have they been TRIPLING their transmitting power the last year or two?
Look at the name of the top guy running that outfit and see if you notice a CIA familiy affiliation.....
Originally posted by luxordelphi
So is this some kind of static earth theory of yours? How do they get a signature in tomography then? More spontaneous combustion?
Originally posted by luxordelphi
However, I, personally, believe that HAARP was designed to test and develop plasma weapons. Because that's what they do when they create aurora's and spirals and UFO lights.
Same as we're not going to be finding out, on the internet, how it's used in surveillance except that, supposedly, it could be used to detect incoming over the horizon. I can appreciate someone believing a government handout. Most of the serious researchers into HAARP have gone beyond glossy photos, though.
“It’s an open plasma-physics laboratory,” says Dennis Papadopoulos, a physics professor at the University of Maryland who helped conceive the idea for HAARP with the Naval Research Lab more than 30 years ago. “You test ideas and scientific theories. Then, if something’s important to the Department of Defense, you apply it.”
The Claim: HAARP is designed to take out satellites and missiles.
The late physicist Bernard Eastlund believed that HAARP was built using patents of his that included satellite- and missile-disabling technology.
The Rebuttal: The Air Force, Navy and Darpa deny that they used Eastlund’s patents.
Killing missiles and satellites would require injecting particles into the radiation belt, which is impossible.
So, essentially, in order to make an informed, personal assessment, some sort of foundational understanding of ionospheric heaters, the atmosphere, cold plasma, ELF and RF, phased arrays, Tesla technology - would be needed. If the government, military et al wanted to confuse and mislead and disinform...this area would be taking candy from a baby.
Originally posted by luxordelphi
Continuous? That's not what the HAARP site itself says.
HAARP FAQ
The HF Transmitter at the HAARP Research Station is used intermittently and is primarily operated to support research campaigns where groups of scientists collaborate to conduct interactive ionospheric research.
What about GWEN? That was another nomadic feat - disappearing overnight ( in the press anyway.)
And wasn't GWEN mostly underground anyway?
Originally posted by luxordelphi
reply to post by Phage
Not if it's a phased array. Pretty hard to do what HAARP does without a phased array.
Cosmic particle ignition of artificially ionized plasma patterns in the atmosphere
This invention is a method and apparatus for creating artificially ionized regions in the atmosphere utilizing ionization trails of cosmic rays and micro-meteors to ignite plasma patterns in electric field patterns formed by ground based electromagnetic wave radiators. The applications are useful for telecommunications, weather control, lightening protection and defense applications. The invention lowers the power requirements for forming artificial ionized regions in the atmosphere by a factor of up to 1600 times lower than those required in existing designs and projections for creation of artificial ionized regions in the atmosphere.
Originally posted by Bedlam
reply to post by buddhasystem
It actually makes sense. I haven't seen the array used to do that but it would at least be possible TO do, or in what I'd call the realm of being possible. I'd have to see if the array can put enough power on target to do it that low in the atmosphere. You might not have enough power on target that low, and higher, you don't need it.
a1. A method of creating one or more artificially ionized regions in the air called cosmic particle ignition by synchronizing the establishment of an electric field pattern at an altitude above the earth's surface with the natural occurrence of ionization trails created by cosmic particles within the electric field pattern comprising: a. Detecting the position of the cosmic particle ionization trail with a detector array, b. Triggering an electromagnetic wave radiator to establish an electric field pattern at the location of the ionization trail, c. Holding the electric field pattern constant while the cosmic particle ionization trail ignites electrical breakdown of the air and fills the electric field pattern with plasma to create a plasma pattern, whereby an artificially ionized plasma region is created with lower electric fields and consequently much lower power levels than required for electrical breakdown in ambient air.
2. An electromagnetic wave radiator apparatus for said cosmic particle ignition method of creating one or more artificially ionized regions in the air comprising: a. a detector array for detecting the position and time of occurrence of a cosmic particle ionization trail at a desirable position, b. an electromagnetic wave radiator that can be triggered to radiate, c. a control system to hold the electric field strength constant while the breakdown process occurs and then to decrease the amplitude of the field pattern to a maintenance value of electric field strength.
3. The method of claim 1 wherein the cosmic particle is a primary cosmic ray or secondary cosmic ray electrons occurring at altitudes between sea level and 40,000 KM.
4. The method of claim 1 wherein the cosmic particle is a micrometeorite occurring at altitudes above 80,000 meters.
Originally posted by buddhasystem
You are wrong. Read the following:
3. The method of claim 1 wherein the cosmic particle is a primary cosmic ray or secondary cosmic ray electrons occurring at altitudes between sea level and 40,000 KM.
4. The method of claim 1 wherein the cosmic particle is a micrometeorite occurring at altitudes above 80,000 meters.
Really, there are just way too many red herrings in that. Consider 80,000 meters and densities of air at that altitude. Not much. More importantly, consider recombination times of ions and electrons in air. I'm too lazy to look it up now, but from previous experience and memory it's a really fast process.
Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
Originally posted by luxordelphi
Here's a little sentence from that same popsci article that could use a little more information (particularly in the use of the word 'zapping'):
And now, 15 years after construction on the station began, HAARP’s managers are seeing what the fully powered system can do; most recently, they’ve begun zapping the moon with the hope of determining the composition of its soil.
It's not hard to find information on this experiment - Rense has it covered, and the HAARP home page has 2 articles on it
During the experiment, which was carried out on Oct. 28 and 29, 2007, the radar signals from HAARP were at 7.4075 MHz and 9.4075 MHz.
λ is the wavelength of the frequency used. For this experiment, the wavelength is 42 meters.
The lunar echo measurements at 7.4075 MHZ are believed to be the lowest frequency (longest wavelength) at which bi-static radar measurements have been conducted.
The main frequency ranges allowed to pass through the atmosphere are referred to as the radio window. The radio window consists of frequencies which range from about 5 MHz (5 million hertz) to 30 GHz (30 billion hertz). The low-frequency end of the window is limited by signals being reflected by the ionosphere back into space, while the upper limit is caused by absorption of the radio waves by water vapor and carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. As atmospheric conditons change the radio window can expand or shrink. On clear days with perfect conditions signals as high as 300GHz have been detected.
3MHz is the lowest frequency which will pass through the ionosphere.
Your statement was something along the lines of this:
"From what I read, lightning originates in the ionosphere."
Lightning storms supposedly originate in the ionosphere so that's probably where one would go in order to agitate a storm like that.
Originally posted by luxordelphi
reply to post by flyswatter
Your statement was something along the lines of this:
"From what I read, lightning originates in the ionosphere."
My statement was:
Lightning storms supposedly originate in the ionosphere so that's probably where one would go in order to agitate a storm like that.
It won't be me rewriting the book on the origins of lightning. It will be officialdom. The origins of lightning need to be explained because so far they are mysterious. My point was and is that as that book gets rewritten or written, as it were, let's be there to separate the man-made from nature. And let's object to man-made being trotted out as nature.
Originally posted by luxordelphi
reply to post by flyswatter
Your statement was something along the lines of this:
"From what I read, lightning originates in the ionosphere."
My statement was:
Lightning storms supposedly originate in the ionosphere so that's probably where one would go in order to agitate a storm like that.
It won't be me rewriting the book on the origins of lightning. It will be officialdom. The origins of lightning need to be explained because so far they are mysterious. My point was and is that as that book gets rewritten or written, as it were, let's be there to separate the man-made from nature. And let's object to man-made being trotted out as nature.
Originally posted by AndyMayhew
luxordelphi, could you give us a basic 101 on what the ionosphere is? Only it seems most people don't know much about it and have some strange ideas based on what they've seen on, er, dubious, websites.
Perhaps some info on how it affects the weather or at least the troposphere would be useful?
Taking into account the daily variations caused by solar acitivity and Earth rotation?
It might help support your assertions
Plasma is sometimes called "the fourth state of matter", beyond the familiar three--solid, liquid and gas. It is a gas in which atoms have been broken up into free-floating negative electrons and positive ions, atoms which have lost electrons and are left with a positive electric charge.
As noted, the Sun consists of plasma. Another important plasma in nature is the ionosphere, starting about 70-80 km above ground.
Here electrons are torn off atoms by sunlight of short wavelengths, ranging from the ultra-violet to X-rays: they do not recombine too readily because the atmosphere becomes increasingly rarefied at high altitudes and collisions are not frequent. The lowest part of the ionosphere, the "D layer" at 70-90 km, still has enough collisions to cause it to disappear after sunset. Then the remaining ions and electrons recombine, while in the absence of sunlight new ones are no longer produced. However, that layer is re-established at sunrise. Above 200 km, collisions are so infrequent that the ionosphere persists day and night.
Plasmas in physics and chemistry are gases that have had some portion of their particles ionized. While plasmas have many properties similar to gases, they are sometimes referred to as the fourth state of matter in addition to solids, gases and liquids. This is because the electrical conductivity of the ionized particles gives plasmas unique characteristics. Some examples of plasmas are the Sun, fluorescent lights, flame and lightning.
Although plasma actually represents over 99 percent of the visible universe, it does not act in a way that scientists can always predict. It is difficult to create an accurate model of plasmas as a whole because they tend to act in different ways depending on how many particles are charged, the temperature of the plasma and the velocity of the particles. After the discovery of plasma, many physicists used the activity of plasma as the basis for nonlinear dynamics and chaos theory. As a result of this unpredictability, new discoveries are still being made in this state of matter.
doesn't look like that much of either type of site was underground!!
Three hundred (300) ft. of copper wire fans out in a spoke like fashion from the base of the underground system, interacting with the earth like a thin shelled conductor, radiating radio wave energy for very long distances through the ground. The USA bathes in this magnetic field which rises to 500 ft, even going down to basements, so everyone is subject to mind control.
The whole artificial ground wave spreads out over USA like a web. It is easier to mind-control and hypnotize people who are bathed in an artificial electromagnetic wave.
So while the camera flash is equal in strength to the stadium light, it's really not as powerful, as it only matches it during the actual flash, the "momentary peak output".
Originally posted by flyswatter
Elves, which occur above areas of active cloud-to-ground lightning, may result from electromagnetic pulses extending into the portion of the atmosphere called the ionosphere.
You realize that this actually contradicts another portion of your argument, right? Electromagnet pulses that extend into the ionosphere indicates that they do not come FROM there, but they travel TO there. I dont recall anyone saying that the ionosphere is completely free of activity, only that it does not originate there.
You have talked about sprites, jets, and elves which are really fascinating but the storms which produce them do not originate in the ionosphere. Lightning storms originate in the troposphere.