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Originally posted by tsurfer2000h
reply to post by luxordelphi
HAARP brags about being mostly off-line. Maybe that's because there are little HAARP's ready to do localized work.
So why is it bragging and not just a simple statement that they are off-line?
HAARP, specifically, is a reasearch facility. When you start saying things like "little HAARPs" you would be talking about little research facilities.
Besides, as pointed out, his patents called for a system a thousand times more powerful than HAARP.
Originally posted by luxordelphi
reply to post by Phage
HAARP, specifically, is a reasearch facility. When you start saying things like "little HAARPs" you would be talking about little research facilities.
HAARP calls itself a research facility...similar to a ballistic missile calling itself a peacekeeper.
If ionosphere-like conditions can be created at will, at sea-level,
Originally posted by luxordelphi
3.6 mega watts is the power in. According to HAARP public relations hand-outs. 4 giga watts is the ERP factoring in the visible phased array and only that. The number depends on the accuracy of the 1st number. No allowances are made in the hand-out literature for auxilliary antenna's.
pity you used the trigger word chemtrail
Originally posted by luxordelphi
If ionosphere-like conditions can be created at will, at sea-level, the whole thing can be miniaturized...
So why is it bragging and not just a simple statement that they are off-line?
I love it keep it coming, persistence is the key, but what door are you really trying to open, do you know whats on the other side?
Originally posted by Phage
Originally posted by luxordelphi
This technology, known as 'Hertzian antennas,' can, "...match or exceed the peak power of the new HAARP system for a fraction of its cost."
Source?
"New" HAARP system?
These experiments clearly showed that a coherent array of
laser triggered pulsed Hertzian radiators could be assembled
that can match or exceed the peak power of the new HAARP
system for a fraction of its cost.
The antenna at HIPAS is 53m long ([wavelength]/2) with a
central pressurized SF6 spark gap. It is mounted 5 meters
([wavelength]/21) above a ground plane. It radiates at 2.85MHz. The
two antenna halves are charged to ± high voltages by a Tesla
coil. Spark gap voltages of 0.4 MV (at the instant of spark
gap closure) give peak RF currents of 1200A which correspond
to 14 MW peak total radiated power, or 56 MW
of Effective Radiated Power (ERP).
Originally posted by winofiend
HAARP uses antennas.
Cell Phone towers use antennas.
It's not rocket surgery, they both use antennas, therefore they are both obviously the same thing.
Any conspiracy theorist worth his salt knows how to make two things become one and then blame the bogey man for it. golly gee.. get with it.
But what I do get a good chuckle out of is some of the information contained in the links of the original request. Things making mention that two of the "confirmed" uses of HAARP are weather modification and missile defense, or that the HAARP technology could be used to create lightning storms originating in the ionosphere, or that these facilities are purposely being built on fault lines.
The key document in the bunch is U.S. Patent number 4,686,605, considered by HAARP critics to be the "smoking raygun," so to speak. Held by ARCO Power Technologies, Inc. (APTI), the ARCO subsidiary contracted to build HAARP, this patent describes an ionospheric heater very similar to the HAARP heater invented by Bernard J. Eastlund, a Texas physicist. In the patent--subsequently published on the Internet by foes of HAARP--Eastlund describes a fantastic offensive and defensive weapon that would do any megalomaniacal James Bond super villain proud.
According to the patent, Eastlund's invention would heat plumes of charged particles in the ionosphere, making it possible to, for starters, selectively "disrupt microwave transmissions of satellites" and "cause interference with or even total disruption of communications over a large portion of the earth." But like his hopped up ions, Eastlund was just warming up.
"Weather modification," the patent states, "is possible by... altering upper atmospheric wind patterns or altering solar absorption patterns by constructing one or more plumes of particles which will act as a lens or focusing device." As a result, an artificially heated could focus a "vast amount of sunlight on selected portions of the earth."
DoD Involvement
Potential applications of the HAARP research include developing DoD technology for detecting cruise missiles and aircraft and for communicating with submarines.
The ELF frequency range is critically important to the Navy because of its value in providing a way to communicate with submerged submarines. As a result of the high electrical conductivity of sea water, signals are attenuated rapidly as they propagate downward through it. In effect, the sea water "hides" the submarine from detection while simultaneously preventing it from communicating with the outside world through normal radio transmissions.
Analyses of the data indicate that the structure was in resonance at frequencies between 2.5 and 3.3 hertz. These frequencies are also within the site-response frequencies of 2-3 hertz, calculated from examining the geological materials upon which the structure was built.
The Olive View Hospital building was conceived and designed as a very strong and stiff structure, particularly in response to the disastrous performance of the original OVH building during the 1971 San Fernando earthquake. However, the resulting design placed the fundamental frequency of the building within the frequency range of the site (2-3 hertz), thereby producing conditions for resonance.
This case study indicates that determining the site frequencies needs to be emphasized in developing design response spectra.
If one believes that there are miniature HAARP-like facilities scattered all over the country (or the world), that is fine. But taking that belief and then jumping to a conclusion of what they are used for should come second to actually researching the technology (not just regurgitating someone else's belief about it) and finding out what the technology would actually be capable of doing. Once you know what it CAN do, THEN you formulate your theory of what it DOES do within those capabilities.
Lightning storms, like all weather, originate in the troposphere.
Lightning storms supposedly originate in the ionosphere so that's probably where one would go in order to agitate a storm like that.
As far as the facilities being built on fault lines: that wouldn't really be necessary. What would be necessary, in order to create an earthquake, imo, from what I've read, is to get the area vibrating at, I think, 2.5 hertz. That's in the ELF range and the creation of ELF as a bi-product of ionospheric heating is also an openly admitted aim of HAARP.
The Eastlund patents describing a HAARP-like facility make clear mention of weather modification. Missile defense, as far as disrupting communications, is, I believe, an openly admitted use for HAARP. Lightning storms supposedly originate in the ionosphere so that's probably where one would go in order to agitate a storm like that. As far as the facilities being built on fault lines: that wouldn't really be necessary. What would be necessary, in order to create an earthquake, imo, from what I've read, is to get the area vibrating at, I think, 2.5 hertz. That's in the ELF range and the creation of ELF as a bi-product of ionospheric heating is also an openly admitted aim of HAARP.
Originally posted by Uncinus
So why doesn't someone just go measure the radiation from one of these "mini-HAARPs", you'd blow the lid right off the whole scheme, the jig would be up, you'd save the world!
Unless it's just a cell-phone tower, that is.
Originally posted by luxordelphi
The problem, as I see it, with a networked HAARP, in backyards as it were, is the ELF. If one can determine or even artificially change the existing frequency of a local area, then one can adjust that frequency by adding another frequency which will result in a frequency composed of the remainder.
since HAARP cannot be shown with any credibility to actually be a weapon, why do you make this stupid claim?
Big "if" - got any evidence that they can be created at sea level?
CLOUD is an experiment that uses a cloud chamber to study the possible link between galactic cosmic rays and cloud formation.
The initial stage of the experiment uses a prototype detector, but the full CLOUD experiment will include an advanced cloud chamber and a reactor chamber, equipped with a wide range of external instrumentation to monitor and analyse their contents. The temperature and pressure conditions anywhere in the atmosphere can be re-created within the chambers, and all experimental conditions can be controlled and measured, including the ‘cosmic ray’ intensity and the contents of the chambers.
1. A method of creating one or more artificially ionized regions in the air called cosmic particle ignition by synchronizing the establishment of an electric field pattern at an altitude above the earth's surface with the natural occurrence of ionization trails created by cosmic particles...
3. The method of claim 1 wherein the cosmic particle is a primary cosmic ray or secondary cosmic ray electrons occurring at altitudes between sea level and 40,000 KM.