reply to post by NewAgeMan
There are two types of Zionism, one is simple pride in one's nation, the other racist extremism and you are right to take a stand calling for it's
reform, because some of the Zionist elements are no better than the Islamist extremists who's fires are stoked by the neighboring Islamist state of
Your point is valid for all nationalism's.
As I've learned to understand, one can take pride and show gratitude to the people that came before him, and so, appreciate the uniqueness of his own
particular tradition (language, culture, religion) but this awareness should in no way preclude one's ability to understand and sympathize with the
unique traditions of others. In fact, the more cognizant one becomes of one's own uniqueness, should make one equally aware of the uniqueness of
others! Instead of fostering a xenophobia, it should foster a climate of respectful cultural exchange, which at the same time preserves each cultures
As the EU has shown, people want to remain different. People don't want to give up their cultural uniqueness: whether they be Portuguese, German,
Spanish, Italian, Dutch, etc. The overwhelming voice of Europe is opposed to a fully unified - cultural - European identity.
Israel represents this. Israel is a little niche, a tiny fragment of middle eastern lands, about the size of New Jersey, or El Salvador. 311 times
smaller than the total land area of the Arab peoples.
Fact is, propaganda mostly works in the direction against Israel. Why? Because the west has grown tired. The Arabs are too intractable, too
unreasonable, too unable to commiserate with the Jews. Their long term ambitions - as documented by each of their actions - from 1929 massacres in
Hebron and Safed, the 1936-1939 arab revolt, the 1947-48 wars, the 1967 war, 1973 war, 1st intifada, 2nd intifada, down to our current moment - is to
uproot Israel. They have no sympathy for the Jews. Not even the 2 Million sephardic, natural residents of the middle east, are entitled in their minds
to self determination. This is an attitude endemic to the Arab-Muslim experience: were talking about a people, and a culture, that has subordinated
all other religions and non-Arab, non-Sunni ethnicities/sects to their total domination. Israel is an aberration in their eyes. This is ironic,
because the first Zionists were actually embraced by many Arab diplomats and encouraged to migrate, believing their presence would contribute to the
modernization of Palestine.
So what now? Now we have Islamist regimes springing up left right and center. They are the majority party in 4 different Arab parliaments since the
Arab uprisings: Morocco, Tunisia, Libya, and Egypt. And their inching closer to capturing Syria. America has long been Israel's greatest supporter.
But, the tides are changing, and it appears American foreign policy no longer believes Israel is worth the headache. Whether or not they deserve
protection and support - morally, - should be beyond dispute. Jews are not the only people required to show sympathy and regard for others; Arabs too
should be subjected to the same moral standards we wag our fingers at Israel with. But, as said, their will is intractable; their religion feeds them
with purpose, leaving America (at least the democrats) determined to reform Americas image in Arab minds, and that can only be effectively done by
distancing themselves from Israel.
I wish Arabs, or, Islam, could be as welcoming a religion. But, unfortunately, the dominant strand of Islam - Islamism - has impossible demands. If I
thought a two state solution were viable -0 and by viable I mean, sincerely meant, and not merely a stage in a process that leads to Israels
annihilation, I would wholeheartedly support it. But look at the camp david-taba talks. Barak offered them everything on their wishlist, minus the
completely unreasonable 'right of return' (which would destroy Israel demographically, as they well know). Arafat rejected it. And launched the 2nd
intifada a day later. I would be willing to split Jerusalem. Give them the Eastern part. But they want ALL OF IT! They won't even acknowledge the
historical and spiritual significance of Jerusalem to the Jew.
Doesn't this intractability bode negatively not just for Israel, but for the wider world? Look at Europe and America. People have quickly forgotten
and lost interest in the religious dogma preached during the middle ages. We're past that. Unfortunately, Islam is still extremely submerged in that.
To lose Jerusalem, to give tacit acknowledgement of the Jews right to share symbolic meaning of the holy city, is too great a loss for them. They
still believe in the world-historical mission of Islam. They aren't yet at the enlightenment stage which see's their religion in it's unique