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An Apology from Canada to Palestine and the Rest of the World

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posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 06:05 PM
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Oh, and I almost forgot. (This is in reply to all those in this thread who seem to think Canada votes for it's Prime Minister, which weirdly enough seems to include Canadians???):

NO ONE in Canada voted for Stephen Harper. UNLESS you live in his riding in Calgary. Canada has a Parliamentary system, which means citizens only vote for their MEMBER OF PARLIAMENT. Whichever party gets the most members of parliament gets to form a government. The members of parliament who belong to the party who gets to form the government CHOOSE the Prime Minister. But that part happens before the election.




posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 06:12 PM
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Originally posted by Malynn
You know what they say about ASSuming. And you would be ASSuming wrong. And no, Obama is not to the US what the NDP is to Canada. Obama would be to the US what the Conservatives are to Canada. All the parties in Canada are further to the left than any mainsteam party in the US.

Your denying Obama is socialist. Interesting.

Originally posted by Malynn
I lived in Manitoba, Winnipeg specifically, for seven years.

Over 40 here.

Originally posted by Malynn
You make it seem like a recent event or something that the NDP took over Manitoba. The NDP have been running Manitoba since 1999. And did at other times in the past before that. When I first moved there your political system FASCINATED me and I learned everything I could. While your parties are all more liberal than those of the US there are too many similarities between the Liberals/Conservatives and the Democrats/Republicans for my taste. Specifically they are also the bed-fellows of corporations and special interests. Granted, they still seem to be more in touch with the people than our politicians.

Not sure why you say that. I live here, i know how long they have been in power.

As i stated in my first post, are you aware the NDP have not paid down 1 single cent of our Provincial debt? If you are, why does this not alarm you?

Originally posted by Malynn
If I could vote in Canada I would support the NDP because they are a social democratic party, and I being a socialist, agree with their positions on almost everything. Of course there are exceptions but there always are. I will always support the ideas and policies of those who endeavor to protect the average citizen from the greed and avarice of the corporations, special interests, and the government.

All fair. While you see the conservatives as pandering to the coporations and the like, i see the socialists spending money hand over fist, never even attemping to post a balanced budget, and driving up our provincial debt. I have children and i want a future for them. The way the NDP run our province is great in the short term, disasterous in the long term.

While you claim the conservatives cater to corporations, the NDP could be said to be anti-small business. A friend of mine opened a pizza resturant several years before the NDP came into power. He struggled, and slowly but surely started to make ends meet and a modest profit. Then the NDP came into power. In one fell swoop, they increased business payroll tax and raised minumum wage. His modest profit was gone, and within two years he closed shop.

In the end, im a conservative and your socialist. We're going to have to agree to disagree.



posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 06:13 PM
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Originally posted by Malynn
Oh, and I almost forgot. (This is in reply to all those in this thread who seem to think Canada votes for it's Prime Minister, which weirdly enough seems to include Canadians???):

NO ONE in Canada voted for Stephen Harper. UNLESS you live in his riding in Calgary. Canada has a Parliamentary system, which means citizens only vote for their MEMBER OF PARLIAMENT. Whichever party gets the most members of parliament gets to form a government. The members of parliament who belong to the party who gets to form the government CHOOSE the Prime Minister. But that part happens before the election.


Yes, but don't muddy the waters. We all know who is going to be Prime Minister should their party win. A vote for a particular party, is akin to voting for PM.



posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 06:15 PM
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Originally posted by Malynn
Oh, and I almost forgot. (This is in reply to all those in this thread who seem to think Canada votes for it's Prime Minister, which weirdly enough seems to include Canadians???):

NO ONE in Canada voted for Stephen Harper. UNLESS you live in his riding in Calgary. Canada has a Parliamentary system, which means citizens only vote for their MEMBER OF PARLIAMENT. Whichever party gets the most members of parliament gets to form a government. The members of parliament who belong to the party who gets to form the government CHOOSE the Prime Minister. But that part happens before the election.

And just as often as not people in a riding will vote specifically Tory in order to bring in the PM of their choice, regardless of their feeling for their local respresentative.

By that logic, yes, we are voting for the PM.
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posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 06:22 PM
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Enjoy picketing Parliament Hill in the middle of January.
You will be yearning for your desert homeland in no time.



posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 06:23 PM
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Come on, you would feel the same way if you were an oppressed people.
I mean when the UN granted Palestinians as a non voting/participating member state, Israel threw a hissy fit like a kid in a toy isle that didn't get what they wanted. Seriously within hours they 1.) stole 100,000 dollars that was supposed to pay Palestinian civil servants. 2.) They started more housing construction to steal more land from Palestinians. 3.) they shelled innocent civilians and put one in a vegetative state (read: as good as killed them).

We aren't blindly supporting Palestinians, we are just aware that Israel is treating some people in a horrible (and horribly ironic) fashion. How can you honestly support Israel and know what hypocrites they are?



posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 06:28 PM
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Of course obama is NOT a socialist. Liberals are not progressives. Socialism implies social progress!

Conservatism implies keeping the status quo. Liberalism is keeping the status quo with some modifications.

Typical of the right to lie about everything in order to get their way.

As for welfare spending, nearly all of it is going to corporate bailouts/subsidies and war profiteering. Voting for a conservative is a sure way to raise government spending and get little in return, unless you are one who profits from special interest policies.
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posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 06:29 PM
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Manitoba is a sinking ship with Selinger at the helm.



posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 06:29 PM
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Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Originally posted by Battleline

Originally posted by optimus primal
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I like how, anytime someone disagrees with the actions of the israeli government, they are automatically assumed to hate jews and want them all killed.


What an assinine thing to say.
It has nothing to do with disagreeing with the Israeli government and you know it, I disagree with the Israelis at times, this has everything to do with hating Jews and wanting them gone.
You need to read a few post's or just go on with your hate "Slick"


NO! You are mixing conditional with unconditional support. Do you know the difference between the two?

Conditional support means you must do a, b, c and then we support you. Unconditional support means netanyahu CAN NUKE palestine AND STILL america and canada WOULD SUPPORT israel. This is dangerous politics.
"Nuke Palistine" ? A little dramatic I'd say. I for a minute do not belive Canada or America would let Israel "NUKE" Palistine.
Get a grip and be realistic, think outside your talking points with less drama, all Palistine would have to do is stop with the missiles and attempt a peace, but as long as they think Israel has no place in the middle east that won't happen......again nothing to do with politics either, just hate and religion.
Politics and hate without your political doublespeak...............do you know the difference



posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 06:31 PM
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Originally posted by nightbringr
Your denying Obama is socialist. Interesting.


Anyone who would label Obama a socialist has no idea what socialism is. Socialists enjoy things like, you know, Universal Health Care. They don't champion legislation which forces their citizens to purchase healthcare from FOR PROFIT companies.


Originally posted by nightbringr
In the end, im a conservative and your socialist. We're going to have to agree to disagree.


Agreed.
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posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 06:36 PM
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Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
reply to post by nightbringr
 


Of course obama is NOT a socialist. Liberals are not progressives. Socialism implies social progress!

Perhaps i should have said "the most socialist President since Woodrow Wilson". Better?

And i dont see more rules, regulations, forced redistribution of wealth and the like as social progress. Socialism does not mean the same to you as I, obviously. I want as little government as possible, i can look after myself just fine.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
Conservatism implies keeping the status quo. Liberalism is keeping the status quo with some modifications.

I disagree with both of those statements.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
Typical of the right to lie about everything in order to get their way.

If this was aimed at me, please point out where i lied? If not, i can assure you all governments lie. If you believe otherwise, i cant help you.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
As for welfare spending, nearly all of it is going to corporations and war profiteering. Voting for a conservative is sure way to raise government spending and get little in return, unless you are one who profits from such special interests.

The one and only place conservatives might spend more than socialists in in defense. We could argue all day long if this is a good or a bad thing. In the USA, i would say bad. In Canada? Not so much. Our military is in rough shape.



posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 06:39 PM
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Originally posted by TFCJay
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Manitoba is a sinking ship with Selinger at the helm.


Damn rights.

All the NDP care about is spending like mad to prop up our economy, make themselves look good, and secure another term. Practically treasonous.

If your a Manitoban, i highly recommend you join the Canadian Taxpayers Federation. We petition the government to post balanced budgets in times of economic growth. Anything else is irresponsible.

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posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 06:45 PM
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Originally posted by Battleline

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Originally posted by Battleline

Originally posted by optimus primal
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I like how, anytime someone disagrees with the actions of the israeli government, they are automatically assumed to hate jews and want them all killed.


What an assinine thing to say.
It has nothing to do with disagreeing with the Israeli government and you know it, I disagree with the Israelis at times, this has everything to do with hating Jews and wanting them gone.
You need to read a few post's or just go on with your hate "Slick"


NO! You are mixing conditional with unconditional support. Do you know the difference between the two?

Conditional support means you must do a, b, c and then we support you. Unconditional support means netanyahu CAN NUKE palestine AND STILL america and canada WOULD SUPPORT israel. This is dangerous politics.
"Nuke Palistine" ? A little dramatic I'd say. I for a minute do not belive Canada or America would let Israel "NUKE" Palistine.
Get a grip and be realistic, think outside your talking points with less drama, all Palistine would have to do is stop with the missiles and attempt a peace, but as long as they think Israel has no place in the middle east that won't happen......again nothing to do with politics either, just hate and religion.
Politics and hate without your political doublespeak...............do you know the difference


Funny you should mention doublespeak when obama, harper, bush, reagan, etc always criticise iraq, iran, afghanistan by calling them terrorists or religious fanatics, YET the israeli government that is also compromised of religious fanatics rarely/never gets called out for its apartheid policies against the third class segregated arab palestinians.



posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 06:48 PM
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The arabs didnt even give Israel a chance within HOURS 4 countries tried to whipe israel off the map in 1949. There has not been one counrty in the Mid East that has not tried to destory Israel.



posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 06:52 PM
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Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101

Originally posted by PvtHudson
You talk about blind support, yet you blindly support Palestine regardless of what they say or do. For example, it doesn't matter to you that Palestinians want to eradication of Israel and the Jews, not peace.


Well said! Applause.

Fortunately, the OP only speaks for himself or the few and he delusively hope that with post such this, will be able to fool others that Canada supports genocide upon jews.

Let's not forget that the terrorist humanslayers Hamas was 'democratically' elected as elected officials of Palestine and the sucking up to terrorist Hamas PLO leader Abbas that the world voted to recognise, praised Hamas for their recent atrocity of instigating the war and hiding themselves/weapons within Gaza population centre.



Yet, you seem to think the majority supports a genocide against Palestinians?

You are soooo better...

Peace out.


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posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 06:57 PM
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Originally posted by GigaMillionaire
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I am very familiar with this Zionist agenda since my parents are Russians who moved to Israel while my mother was pregnant with me and I was indoctrinated since birth. You wouldn't believe the stories I have to tell and if you did believe me you would beg for forgiveness from all the members you have irritated with your blatant propaganda. It took me years to reachieve clarity and a sense of self worth and individualism.


I have a couple of friends who are Jewish and immigrated to Israel from Russia in the 80's and now live in the US. They tell me that even though their grandparents had tattoos from the concentration camps from the holocaust Zionists still didn't consider them Jewish. And that a very large portion of Israeli military is Russian Jews but Zionists are exempt from mandatory military service.

I believe my friends but I'm wondering if you had a similar experience?


Secular discrimination among the Jews in Israel is very common luckily I was never subjected to anything worth mentioning. To be honest I avoid speaking about my time in Israel as much as possible but sometimes certain posts compel me to comment on some past personal experiences.

Let me explain about some of the indoctrination into Zionism they expose their youth to, even Jews from around the world come to Israel only to suffer the same fate, absolute brainwashing.

Here is one article that I was recently lucky enough to come across, it explains about some but not all of what happens in Israel. The person who wrote this piece speaks of personal experience. Even though their circumstances are much different than mine were we can still relate.


Why I am no longer a Zionist

'Hasbarah'

On Machon, along with dozens of other young Jews of my own age from a range of different Zionist youth movements, I received training in youth leadership skills, Jewish history, and what is known in Hebrew as 'hasbarah'. Hasbarah literally means 'explaining', but it has another meaning, which is essentially 'propaganda'.


I was put through this, and it really affects you when those who you are close to pressure you into these beliefs and behavior.

Another person that I can relate to, more so than the author of the above article, is Gilad Atzmon. If you do not know who they are please look them up.

He has been called what I have on many occasions - a self hating Jew. Once a Jew, especially in Israel speaks out about what really is going on they get labeled many things and it is not a pleasant experience. I believe this is a major factor in Israeli youth moving away to other places, even Arab/Muslim nations. A friend of mine is living in Iran as a professor at a prominent University and lives in harmony with the Persian Muslims there, he does admit that he does not feel a tight bond with the Jewish population in Iran though but we never really got into that in too much detail. He did not speak bad about them, but he believes since he is an Israeli some of thek think that he has ill intentions. Unfortunately bias and stereotype exists everywhere, as a minority among the rest.

I am sorry OP if this go off topic but I wanted to address the question to the best of my ability without writing too much.

How this relates to the Canadian situation? I am not sure. What is related, and I am certain of it, is that the Zionist agenda of which I spoke about has long existed in Canada, even before the current administration. It's just that the new people in control are much more up front about it. My Israeli friends laugh when we speak about North Americans and Europeans since they know that such a small nation built on stolen land can controls so much of the world's policies.



posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 07:00 PM
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You speak as if you represent Israel or Canada and I can tell that you have never been to either of those countries.


How did that post you quoted claim that I was speaking for anyone but myself?

And I'm Canadian. Born and bred...live in Toronto. Also, I went to Israel last year.

So much for idiotic presumptions.




Thread after thread it's always you turning an honest political discussion into a religious debate as if you were sent here to do so. I am certainly seeing a pattern here and I hope the moderators take note of your actions.


What the hell are you reading? Where did I mention religion? All I said was the name "Israel" is obviously derived from the Bible.
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posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 07:03 PM
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Nope, I am not a Manitoban. I just happen to live here, and get taxed to death against my will.



posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 07:05 PM
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Originally posted by nightbringr

Perhaps i should have said "the most socialist President since Woodrow Wilson". Better?


NO! You probably know you are lying.


And i dont see more rules, regulations, forced redistribution of wealth and the like as social progress. Socialism does not mean the same to you as I, obviously. I want as little government as possible, i can look after myself just fine.


I guess you have it very well then with special interest policies that can only benefit you and your small government.



Typical of the right to lie about everything in order to get their way.


If this was aimed at me, please point out where i lied? If not, i can assure you all governments lie. If you believe otherwise, i cant help you.


Right wing governments RELLY on lies to win and keep winning. Without lies they would barely get gary "who is he" johnson percentages. And if you have no problem with governments that lie then you are definitely part of the problem and not part of the solution. There should be limits to everything, including stupidity!


Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

The one and only place conservatives might spend more than socialists in in defense. We could argue all day long if this is a good or a bad thing. In the USA, i would say bad. In Canada? Not so much. Our military is in rough shape.


Why did you ignore corporate welfare such as bailouts and subsidies? These make up the bulk of both conservative and liberal budget spending. Social welfare spending is weak compared to these programs.

As for military spending america spends about 10 times more than any other country on the planet.
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posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 07:06 PM
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Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Originally posted by Battleline

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Originally posted by Battleline

Originally posted by optimus primal
reply to post by Battleline
 


I like how, anytime someone disagrees with the actions of the israeli government, they are automatically assumed to hate jews and want them all killed.


What an assinine thing to say.
It has nothing to do with disagreeing with the Israeli government and you know it, I disagree with the Israelis at times, this has everything to do with hating Jews and wanting them gone.
You need to read a few post's or just go on with your hate "Slick"


NO! You are mixing conditional with unconditional support. Do you know the difference between the two?

Conditional support means you must do a, b, c and then we support you. Unconditional support means netanyahu CAN NUKE palestine AND STILL america and canada WOULD SUPPORT israel. This is dangerous politics.
"Nuke Palistine" ? A little dramatic I'd say. I for a minute do not belive Canada or America would let Israel "NUKE" Palistine.
Get a grip and be realistic, think outside your talking points with less drama, all Palistine would have to do is stop with the missiles and attempt a peace, but as long as they think Israel has no place in the middle east that won't happen......again nothing to do with politics either, just hate and religion.
Politics and hate without your political doublespeak...............do you know the difference


Funny you should mention doublespeak when obama, harper, bush, reagan, etc always criticise iraq, iran, afghanistan by calling them terrorists or religious fanatics, YET the israeli government that is also compromised of religious fanatics rarely/never gets called out for its apartheid policies against the third class segregated arab palestinians.
"third class segragated arab palistinians" do you really think they think of themselves as "third class" ??
You have spun off into a whole nother debate, good place to end it, have a nice day.



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