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It has nothing to do with disagreeing with the Israeli government and you know it, I disagree with the Israelis at times, this has everything to do with hating Jews and wanting them gone.
Originally posted by optimus primal
reply to post by Battleline
I like how, anytime someone disagrees with the actions of the israeli government, they are automatically assumed to hate jews and want them all killed.
What an assinine thing to say.
Originally posted by tothetenthpower
reply to post by LesMisanthrope
Actually, Harper did not win a majority of the public vote.
He won because Canadians split the vote between the NDP and the Liberals. Had Canadians chosen one alternative party, Harper would have lost.
Period.
He did not wint the majority of Canadians, it was less than half.
~Tenth
Originally posted by Battleline
It has nothing to do with disagreeing with the Israeli government and you know it, I disagree with the Israelis at times, this has everything to do with hating Jews and wanting them gone.
Originally posted by optimus primal
reply to post by Battleline
I like how, anytime someone disagrees with the actions of the israeli government, they are automatically assumed to hate jews and want them all killed.
What an assinine thing to say.
You need to read a few post's or just go on with your hate "Slick"
Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
Originally posted by dontreally
reply to post by Syphon
As NewAgeman said, and surprisingly, as so little of you have the historical knowledge of, Zionism is Jewish nationalism.
What do you think is conveyed by the word "Israel"? Have you read the Hebrew Bible?
I agree that is all it is, BUT it has grave consequences when it comes to treating arab palestinians as third class citizens. For every 200 palestinians killed only 1 jew gets killed. Even one is too many, but we have to apply rational and porpotional thinking here.
In order for one religious ethnic group to have all the land, that means the other ethnic group needs to leave or at the very least be treated like dirt. This is why zionism is dangerous. Normally I would not mind so much, but over-sensationalism and political alliances with the super-powers can create a very fragile enviroment for the global community.
“Nationalism is our form of incest, is our idolatry, is our insanity. ''Patriotism'' is its cult. It should hardly be necessary to say, that by ''patriotism'' I mean that attitude which puts the own nation above humanity, above the principles of truth and justice; not the loving interest in one's own nation, which is the concern with the nation's spiritual as much as with its material welfare /never with its power over other nations. Just as love for one individual which excludes the love for others is not love, love for one's country which is not part of one's love for humanity is not love, but idolatrous worship.”
~ Erich Fromm
Voting for traditional conservatism implies a strong military-industrial complex and support for israel.
His successors, Anwar Sadat and Hosni Mubarak, though ideologically different from Nasser, argued likewise that Egyptians were not culturally equipped to determine their future. “You don’t understand the Egyptian culture and what would happen if I step down now”, Mubarak told Western audiences at the height of the Egyptian revolution in February 2011…His right hand man, Vice President Omar Suleiman echoed the sentiment, stating that Egypt was not ready for democracy because democracy would unleash the forces of religious fundamentalism and bring the Muslim Brotherhood to power. – Fawaz A Gerges, Obama and the Middle East, pg 3, palgrave macmillan
Originally posted by knightrider078
People hide behind Saying they hate the Israeli Gov so they dont have to say they hate jews
I agree that is all it is, BUT it has grave consequences when it comes to treating arab palestinians as third class citizens.
other ethnic group
Originally posted by dontreally
It's too friggn bad that political illiterates - such as yourself - don't understand why people with a political education bother supporting Israel to begin with. Here's a real hint: It's not because "zionists control the west" -
since that opposes the truism of politics that all nations pursue policies that defend their own national interests;
it also isn't simply because we share a culture and similar political outlook as them.
In fact, the only reason anyone should support Israel is due to what would fill the vacuum if Israel were gone. Obama and the new American left have made the diabolical error of trusting Islamism. Now that Islamists control the parliaments in Morocco, Tunisia, Libya and Egypt (especially), and soon to be Syria, we have a major crisis on our hands. A crisis that the complicit left seems partial to ignore...
They contribute the most money to the american campaign system. They also invest heavily in wall street that likes to outsource and automate industry. Zionists are the primary force behind globalisation. All this is difficult to deny.
What political interest do we have in the middle east?
It is because of religious intolerant people such as yourself with unrational paranoia of islam that we create so much hatred in the middle east and the rest of the world.
Last time i checked christianity and judaism were different religions?
As long as we do not bother them, they should not bother us.
Originally posted by dontreally
reply to post by EarthCitizen07
I agree that is all it is, BUT it has grave consequences when it comes to treating arab palestinians as third class citizens.
You're saying Arab Israelis are treated as "third class" citizens? Or do you mean strictly Arab Palestinieans in the west bank?
other ethnic group
Just to be clear, the term "ethnic" does not apply to Palestinians. Ethnically, they are Arabs. Arabs have 22 states already.
Originally posted by nightbringr
Originally posted by luciddream
reply to post by RedShirt73
Well, people were divided between Liberals and NDP.
No way that scum could have won other way.
Since your not good with math, let me explain it to you.
-If the vote was split 50/50 between the NDP and Libs, the Torys would have gotten 0.
-If the vote was split evenly in three ways, the NDP would have garnered 33.3% of the vote, Grits 33.3 and Torys 33.3
However, as you and I both know, the Torys won a MAJORITY of the popular vote. Please tell me how vote splitting lead to the demise of either the Grits or the NDP? Please do.
Originally posted by dontreally
reply to post by EarthCitizen07
They contribute the most money to the american campaign system. They also invest heavily in wall street that likes to outsource and automate industry. Zionists are the primary force behind globalisation. All this is difficult to deny.
Zionists are the primary source? Are you serious? Capitalism is the primary source. And the vast majority of capitalists are NON-JEWS. Where does Zionism fit into this?
What political interest do we have in the middle east?
I explained it to you already. I quoted the so-called "regionalist" Fawaz Gerges to convey the other side of the equation. If you don't know why people have an interest in the middle east, it's about time you expand you're reading to something other than that which supports your current views.
Again, the middle east is a profoundly unusual place, very different from anywhere else. This is partly due to oil, but mainly due to Islam. You can call "religious intolerance" all you want. That's an obnoxiously ignorant claim, that amounts to a libel.
It is because of religious intolerant people such as yourself with unrational paranoia of islam that we create so much hatred in the middle east and the rest of the world.
Seriously, how much have you read on Islam? You have this make believe notion of a protestant "freedom from the yoke of law" concept of Islam. Do you get that Islam is a totally different phenomena? Creating a very different cultural paradigm?
Islam divorced from the state is A-OK in my eyes. Islam which uses the state, i.e Islamism, is obviously a threat. How it is you fail to recognize this, despite your obvious intelligence, is dumbfounding.
Originally posted by dontreally
Both Christianity and Judaism, first of all, have similar theological conceptions of deity. Second of all, it is this theological conception of deity which led to the enlightenment. It is because of their theological-metaphysical affinity, which saw God as compatible with reason (or logos) that rationalism, science and the perks of moder civilization were able to develop (and why they didn't develop in the Islamic world, despite the gains made in the 12th century).
But aside from that, Israel and America share a general SECULAR culture. Both Judaism and Christianity are truncated, recognized only as the predominant religion of the masses, but having little say with the values established by the constitution. Both Israeli and American democracy are rooted in 19th century liberal democratic notions of freedom, liberty and equality, as outlined by John Stewart Mill and John Locke, and moe recently, by Frederich Hayek.
As long as we do not bother them, they should not bother us.
Do you know what projection is? It's when you project your own beliefs, opinions, fears, anxieties, etc, onto others. Here, you are ignoring the stated beliefs of Islamists (like I said, their views are articulately stated in Islamist literature) and projecting your own, westernized concept of 'live and let live' on people who do not share that ideology.
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