I like my calendar in Microsoft Outlook. It's more accurate and goes on forever.....

Surely, you a native to South America, know that the Haab is not used on the Long Count?

What you're talking about is the Calendar Round. This was composed of their solar calendar, the Haab, which was 365 days long; and their religious calendar, the Tzolkin, which was 260 days long. Together they created a 52 year cycle. For the most part the Long Count is separate from this system and is linear as opposed to cyclical.

what I'm trying to say is that the circular one with the face in the middle is the Aztec calendar regardless of Haab, Haob or Haub.

That's all. I am comparing the circular one with the man in the middle and the circular one with the face in the middle. Very different... I also included teh other images so people know what the long count - short count stuff people talk about.

I personally believe its all BS. You go to Guatemala and people have no idea of 21/12/2012. It was all done by History Channel. Next one will be 2020, 2022, and so on.. people always make this stuff up

if you deny that then welcome to ATS, full of people talking gibberish. I assume sometimes there are many 12 years old here but sometimes when I read people have even kids, I actually feel sorry for them.

After the 1980s apocalyptic evangelistic expectations, the mass Y2K hysteria and now the 2012 mayan prophecies...if this one does not materialize (doubtful unless used as cover for globally engineered catastrophes) then it will be hard for people to believe in "the end" in the future.....like in 2015 for the "blood red moon".

Why would the people in Guatemala know now? I've been to pyramids in Mexico, and I've seen the people of Costa Rica and Panama which were all apart of that same culture in the past. They don't have an idea about their past now, because the Crusaders took away their past from them. I've seen stuff of theirs in the Natural History Museum in London. Why would the crusaders, now the western world, not have accounts of how they used to be. As far as I'm concerned, the Mayan population that made this prophecy is extinct. We have no idea what the ancients knew about the future. They could have witnessed a changing of the ages, and now this could be a new one. Or it could just be another day. But when over 42 ancient cultures had end times accounts and also prophecies, many which are said to happen 12/21/12. We have no idea what could come. Though it is also true that nothing could happen, I just like to have an open mind about it and entertain the possibility.

Brothers, I will tell you why these things must be talked about incessantly.
Our life force, basically, has been taken from us.
There is no God to believe in, or rather, there is no believable God.
Not even science is giving us any answers. Just probabilities of maybe answers.
There is nothing real to believe in. And this is perfectly okay, were it not that this came as a SHOCK.

So now we believe in apocalypse only. Only death will bring us the truth we need to find. And this is most true, but must be carefully interpreted. What sort of death? Near Death? Ego Death? Physical Death?

The truth is, there is no truth. We create our realities based on our tunnel vision which we perpetuate onto the next generation, which instead of expanding the tunnel, simply shifts the tunnel elsewhere. We need to EXPAND the tunnel until the tunnel turns itself inside out. If that will even happen? I don't know. Who knows, really, except for the truly enlightened. And who is truly enlightened? Who really knows, except, for the truly enlightened.