Amsterdam to create 'scum villages'

Originally posted by Zcustosmorum
As someone who has anti-social neighbors with behavioral problems, I think it's a great idea, there's only so much you can do with these people and at least if they're all in the same place the cops can control them better.

edit on 3-12-2012 by Zcustosmorum because: (no reason given)

Can we have villages (maybe asteroids) for antisocial businesses?

Do antisocial/psychotic rich people have to go as well?

Or does money (in both cases) trump humanity?

As a resident of the Netherlands i strongly support these scum villages , they are not for people who just stole some candy , but for entire family's who are upto there nose in criminal activities , who dont pay taxes and do not work.
these people will drive in bmw's and mercedes type cars , wierd as they are officially jobless.

The fact is my country is going down the drain , last weekend a 41 year old man was kicked to death at a soccer game by 15 and 16 year old kids , another 15 year old kid who commited a terrible murder by stabbing a girl to death over some posts made on facebook and gets 1 years jail , even our young ones are starting to turn to Insane levels of agression just over small arguments
our law system is designed to protect crimminals , if you get robbed and you defend yourself and your family on your own property , you will go to jail , its agains the law to protect your life and the ones around you by using violence for self defence.


Not even 30 years ago you where required by law to flee the scene if you would be invaded or attacked , how %@%$*&%#% is that ?


All under the eyes of crooked judges who have lost all view on reality , living in suburbs far away from normal society with there own private security and escort to the courthouse.
dont think these are concentration camps , these ppl get everything for free from our govenment , housing , education , acces to public transport , food.
They keep getting chances wich i would never recieve in a 1000 lifetimes , just because i dont LOWER MYSELF TO ANTI-SOCIAL BEHAVIOUR , these are not inoccent people , our justice system is just too kind , its a walhalla for criminal activities , Murder will get you average 10 years as adult wich means you will actually get out after around 7 years , even the guy that did the Assasination on a political Candidate Named Pim Fortuyn in 2002 will be soon up for Probation , a ex marine that killed his entire family , 7 persons , dogs and cats killed too will also be up for probation soon.

Dont even back these ppl up for one second , they gave up all there rights the moment they went into the drug trade , assault/murder, racketeering and Extortion Business.
Yes life is hard for all of us , but to lower yourselfs into these crimminal activities with total disregard for all life exept yourself is a crime against humanity and cant be punished too soft.

If you are a hardworking morally good person you should have nothing to fear , you can only be complimented on taking the long fair road to succes and happyness.

reply to post by silent thunder


So they want to make ghettos.

reply to post by Mclaneinc


Totally right there , perfect explanation about the current social situation in my country , the violence has increased rapidly the last 10 years.
The law has proven various times they are too soft , My personal opinion is that i cant afford to rely on them , waiting on them for minutes while getting slain because law dictates its against the law to use extreme levels of violence to defend yourself from groups of attackers.
How can they call this freedom when i am not even allowed to defend myself in situations others put me in ?

reply to post by silent thunder


Its a progression on what is happening for decades in The Netherlands. Did you never wondered why black people are housed near each other in large populated dutch cities? It is not because they put in a request for it. Same with other "foreigners". It is all to keep an eye on them although these words are never used.

Originally posted by PhoenixOD
reply to post by earthalien50

 

You have to realize what the layout of most European towns an cities are like , everyone lives on top of each other. Buildings can house many different apartments. You have to learn to respect your neighbors and give then some kind of consideration or things get out of control. When you have people in the building involved in constant drug taking , parties , fights , littering , passing out, overdosing, having payed sex in public places, being sick and urinating in your hallways. Its not an urban paradise its total hell for anyone living there , certainly not a place safe for children.

Amsterdam is a liberal place and beautiful city but there are to many people there just taking the p**s and ruining it for everyone else. Most of these people don't come from Amsterdam either, they just move there because they think they can get away with that kind of behavior. So rather than change the laws of the land and make that kind of behavior illegal they are going to move out all the idiots.

People should respect the fact they have more freedom than most places in Europe and not ruin it for everyone else. Its a clear message..play nice or get the hell out.

edit on 3-12-2012 by PhoenixOD because: (no reason given)

Nothing to add.

Well put.

Originally posted by silent thunder

Amsterdam to create 'scum villages'

www.telegraph.co.uk

Amsterdam is to create "Scum villages" where nuisance neighbours and anti-social tenants will be exiled from the city and rehoused in caravans or containers with "minimal services" under constant police supervision.

The tough approach taken ...reflects hardening attitudes to routine anti-social behaviour that falls short of criminality.

(visit the link for the full news article)

Awesome Can I send a whole trailor park from here in the USA to the scum village? They'd fit right in...at least they're doing something about nuisance neighbors, wish they'd do it here. Well3/4 of the USA would probably belong in one lol.

Originally posted by earthalien50
How quickly these Dutch conservatives forget about having to eat tulips to survive during WWII occupation and beng treated like cattle. Now they are creating their own ghettos to satisfy their desire to remove antisocial behavior from their utopian society.

What a messed up world when a liberal country like Netherlands makes antisocial behavior a crime! Shame on you!

Obviously you've never had beer heads, crack addicts, pillheads, and psychopaths, meth labs, retards,etc as neighbors. Especially the hateful intolerant KKK hood wearing MF'ers you find so rampant in the south. Come to think of it maybe the south is America's scum village.

Originally posted by destination now

Originally posted by andy06shake

Originally posted by destination now
Hmmm...no responses from the "poor souls at the fringes of society who just need our help" brigade..no practical solutions or suggestions for those of us who have to live among the antisocial, just pointless soundbites

Your from Scotland i would not imagine you take crap from anyone. However a practical solution when dealing with antisocial scum, allways carry a bigger stick than they have. Whether it be your words or something with more substance. Caging them in a specific area though seems rather draconian to me. Reminiscent of Mr Hitler treatment of the jews IMHO.

edit on 4-12-2012 by andy06shake because: (no reason given)

How does coming from Scotland mean I don't take crap from anyone...stereotyping much!

The problem with your solution is that I don't lower myself to other peoples level...they make noise in the early hours, leave rubbish, dog (and human) urine on the stairs, break their windows/doors...do you honestly think that I would try to one up them on that? Why the heck would I? Are you suggesting I make more noise than them, have a bigger scarier dog, leave more rubbish lying around? Not really a workable solution and the last time I spoke to my neighbour across the landing about people kicking and banging on his door and throwing beer cans around late at night, his answer "fk off wisnae fkn me hen" There is no talking to them, there is no reasoning with them and as far as your comparison to Hitler and his definition of undesirables and the solutions, you have just demonstrated quite astonishing ignorance, these are not people who are being stereotyped because of race, religion or anything like that, they are the creators of their own destiny, they choose to behave the way they do and as such one of these days hopefully they will finally face the consequences of their actions...nothing draconian about it, just an exasperated society looking for a solution.

Thats some rant there hen! Paragraphs are your friend. I am Scottish so if im stereotyping then so be it. Women up here dont take crap from anybody, you know it, i know it, everybody knows it. So please less of the moral high ground. I was just trying to help. Chill out, is it a bad time or something? Try a wee cup a tea it might calm you down some. Bring you down to us mere mortals level.

Everybody is stressed this time of year. That dont mean we should decide to segregate in small areas what you and the Dutch goverment would obviously term problem individuals like the Nazis done with the Jewish ghettos. Just saying it might not be a good idea to go down that road again. The similarities jump right out at you do they not? Kind of a bad idea letting history repeat itself. Time us clever monkeys learn from our mistakes instead of repeating them IMHO of course.

reply to post by TheGreazel


it's like that with everything, when we were getting stones thrown at our windows the police said not to approach them or antagonize them in any way, at the same time they said there is nothing they can do until a window got broke. our main concern about it was a window was going to come through and injure one of the kids so we phoned them to prevent that from happening.

but apparently we were being told not to do anything about it and at the same time just let it happen until a window goes through, which is what we were trying to prevent. from what i gathered throwing stones at peoples windows is fine as long as it doesn't break and you can do it as often as you like, morning and night and the next day and the next etc etc.

Dutch version of Agenda 21 going into effect.
This outrageous and indefensible.

I see people here blaming immigrants, for this,
wrong. This is for everyone. You included living in Holland.

Whats next... PUNISHMENT PARK?

So instead of figuring out what is breeding this type of behavior... you move them all to one location where you introduce one set of bad people with another set of bad people then you breed them.

Eventually those "scum villages" will grow and begin to encroach on the other villages.

I think something is wrong in Amsterdam if it is breeding or attracting these types of people to the point they have to make special locations for them

Originally posted by votan
So instead of figuring out what is breeding this type of behavior... you move them all to one location where you introduce one set of bad people with another set of bad people then you breed them.

Eventually those "scum villages" will grow and begin to encroach on the other villages.

I think something is wrong in Amsterdam if it is breeding or attracting these types of people to the point they have to make special locations for them

You bring up a great point I think I have the answer, get them all fixed like stray cats or dogs so the mogrels can't breed. I have a friend in Holland I am sure she is glad this whole thing has been thought up.

reply to post by votan


from what i can work out from experience is they do it because they can and nothing is done about it.

some people have worked hard all their lives and bought their houses and are responsible for their own repairs, and some of these people come around destroying their property, from my experience it is mostly people living in council houses doing it although i am sure it is not always the case.

but when you factor in the fact nothing is done about it and the fact if they live in a council house the council will come around at a moments notice to repair their house at no extra cost to them why would they care about causing damage to others, if anybody does it back the council will fix it for them and the police (maybe not their fault) will have to keep on letting them get away with any damage they are causing to others.

the losers are the ones who own their home as the council won't be around to fix it and it will keep costing them extra cash to do the repairs whilst those doing it are well looked after.

reply to post by andy06shake

Women up here dont take crap from anybody, you know it, i know it, everybody knows it. So please less of the moral high ground

Well the domestic abuse figures for Scotland in 2011/12 show that there were 59.847 incidents reported, Source so obviously plenty of Scottish women take crap, I know because it happens on the floor above me regularly..she takes plenty of crap and beatings, I've even called the police on her behalf when it is so out of hand and he is dragging her round the flat by her hair and kicking her...he just pleads guilty though, gets off and she takes him back..and so it goes on!

I was just trying to help

How? By saying that I should carry a bigger stick than them...Words? They don't listen...Substance? What do you mean I should actually beat them with a stick? Neither of those suggestions are particularly helpful.

Chill out, is it a bad time or something? Try a wee cup a tea it might calm you down some. Bring you down to us mere mortals level.

Now that's just offensive and patronising, adds nothing to the debate and is worse than your opening gambit of calling me "hen" I've always hated that alleged "Scottish term of endearment" it's just offensive.

That dont mean we should decide to segregate in small areas what you and the Dutch goverment would obviously term problem individuals like the Nazis done with the Jewish ghettos

Grammar and sentence construction can be your friend too

And I still don't agree with your sentiments that it would be a repeat of Nazi Germany, those people were targeted because of race, religion etc, the people being discussed here make decisions to behave in a particular way, seemingly with no consequences, and that is what really needs to be addressed, what should the consequences be for such behaviour (clearly prison does not work) and how can decent, law abiding people feel safe in their own homes.

Originally posted by Zcustosmorum
As someone who has anti-social neighbors with behavioral problems, I think it's a great idea, there's only so much you can do with these people and at least if they're all in the same place the cops can control them better.

edit on 3-12-2012 by Zcustosmorum because: (no reason given)

I agree.

Why should people who attempt to live in an established society suffer at the hands of the few who refuse to comply. Great Idea IMO.

When I read a thread like this, it makes me thank the lord that I don’t live in the city. I could not stand living like an ant. A lot of the people they call anti-social are just people that still have a spark of free will left in them.

And no, I have never done drugs, and I have never drank alcohol in my life, but I would be one of the first people they would classify as antisocial if I was forced to live in one of those god forsaken places.

If I want to pee off the back porch, then I am damn well going to do so.
If I want to set out on the front porch with the radio blasting all night, then it will blast away.
If I want to set outside and weld on something at 1AM in the morning, then I am going to do so.
If I want to cut a tree down at midnight, then I am going to do so.
If I want to drive the truck around the yard and spin up mud, then you better stand back because the mud is going to fly.

When the neighbor spins out while coming out of his driveway, and comes out in my yard, and gets stuck. Do I call the cops? No. I throw a cable in the back of the van and drive out there to ask him if he needs some help…… While laughing my ass off.

When I walk around the yard in the middle of the night while blasting away at things with a shotgun while shining a light into the trees. Do the neighbors call the cops? No. But one of them will usually call and ask if I managed to get any coons or possums that night.

It is funny some times. I will be outside doing something, and I will hear a neighbor down the valley start to fire a gun while doing some plinking or target practicing. So I go in and get one of my guns and wait for him to fire, then I pop off a couple rapid fire. So he responds with a volley, and I come back with another volley. Then someone across the ridge line that hears all that going on will jump in with something big. Pretty soon, you hear 10 to 15 people across the landscape shooting away in unison.

You have to have excitement and spontaneity in life. It’s what makes life worth living.

Doing the same thing day to day, for the rest of your life, like a little ant, is what would drive me insane.

Does anyone remember the FEMA camp stories? Remember how angry people were as to how, if the stories were true, it was mind-boggling awful that people would be rounded-up and sent to the camps?

It's funny how attitudes change when people realise that they'll be on the safe side of the fence.

reply to post by Mr Tranny


.
hmm you seem to have plenty of time on your
hands to do this stuff at night. I need some sleep,
maybe like an ant, to go to work in the morning
and make a living for my family.

If you were my neighbour we would not be friends,
because your so called 'freedom' is nothing more
than anti-social behaviour to me. Then again, that's
probably why you live where you do.
.

reply to post by snewpers


I am self employed, out in the country. I am on the job 24/7. When something needs done, I do it, no mater what time of day it is. In an agricultural community, the work doesn’t end when the sun goes down.

If I need a metal frame for something that someone is doing tomorrow, then I may be up until 3AM, or even till the sun comes up, welding on a frame in front of the barn, with the lights on, and the music playing.

I tend to stay up and work until way late in the night. That is when the wild animals are active and it allows me to keep a watch out for wild animals trying to attack things on my property, or the neighbor’s property. When the sun is coming up, I can lay my head down and sleep without worrying about something getting ripped apart by a wild animal while I sleep. Other members of my family stay up during the day, and sleep while I work. When they wake up in the morning, I tell them what happened during the night, and what still has to be done, before I go to sleep. It’s called a 24/7 work day.

It is currently 4:53 AM in the morning right now. I haven’t slept yet tonight. I have been working on rebuilding a Ford AOD transmission in the barn. I have the new friction plates soaking in transmission fluid so I can start working on reassembling it when I wake up later today. I will be going to sleep in an hour or so. Probably wake up a high noon. Then the never ending work starts again.