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Originally posted by ker2010
Zimmerman was carrying a 9 millimeter handgun. Martin was carrying a bag of Skittles and a can of iced tea. [ABC News]
Martin weighed 160 pounds. Zimmerman weighed well over 200 pounds. [Orlando Sentinel; WDBO]
Martin’s English teacher described him “as an A and B student who majored in cheerfulness.” [Orlando Sentinel]
Martin had no criminal record. [New York Times]
Zimmerman “was charged in July 2005 with resisting arrest with violence and battery on an officer. The charges appear to have been dropped.” HIs ex fiance also requested a restraining order claiming domestic violence [Huffington Post]
Zimmerman called the police 46 times since 2004. [Daily Beast]
According to neighbors, Zimmerman was “fixated on crime and focused on young, black males.” [Miami Herald]
Zimmerman “had been the subject of complaints by neighbors in his gated community for aggressive tactics” [Huffington Post]
Zimmerman was not a member of a registered Neighborhood Watch group. Zimmerman also violated basic Neighborhood Watch guidelines by carrying a weapon. [ABC News]
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So trey has a little residual marijuana and no juvenile record. Zimmerman has the violent accusations of abuse against a female and the assault on a cop, yet Trey is the violent thug?
But we are to believe Mr Zimmerman would in no way attack first?
IN what universe does this make sense?..
It wouldn't without a ulterior motive.edit on 8-12-2012 by ker2010 because: (no reason given)
I have to disagree with your notion.
If you cannot understand the point I was making then I don’t think any amount of talking will help you.
Actually YES! Not sure if you heard or not, but the “internet” is a GOOD resource for information. I don’t watch TV. It’s all bull$h!t MSM crap I wouldn’t count on if it were my life!
Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by Propulsion
Go ahead and Google "riots if George Zimmerman wins court case". A LOT of pro-trayvon folk have talked about riots. Go ahead and Google "trayvon riots from Twitter". Our good friends from the black panthers have talked about inciting riots as well!
So... you're assuring me that there will be riots because you read in on the internet?
It sounds like you’re quite knowledgeable in the business of retrieving unbiased information from other places that don’t involve the internet. If you could please direct me, it would be greatly appreciated!
Originally posted by Grimpachi
I kept reading statements on here and MSM saying he disobeyed the police by following Martin which has been shown to be false. The entire argument that it was Georges fault hinged on them saying George continued following Martin when the facts show as soon as they said they didn’t need him doing that he said OK and started returning to his vehicle.
It sure took him a long route to get back to his truck! How fast was he that he was so far from his truck after just exiting it?
Let me ask those people do they wish for the laws to change so that race becomes a factor in determining guilt in crimes? If so do you think that would be a good idea to set as a precedent in our country and why stop there perhaps we should take religious beliefs into account or someone’s height or weight? How about hair styles or the cloths they ware? It is a pretty stupid idea if you ask me but that seems to be what some of these racists are asking for.
Look at the prison population and tell me race isn't already being used to determine guilt in crimes! Though most of it can be hung on economics...
If anyone wants to argue that Zimmerman is guilty all I ask is that you use facts and explain what does not match up in your mind from the reenactment statements or timeline. It isn’t a hefty request. I have notices that many people in here that are arguing against Zimmerman have not even taken the time to review the evidence and are mostly relying on what they heard from MSM. Deny ignorance use the computer you are posting from and look up everything that has been released to the public. Earlier in this thread I posted a link which has all of it on one site so there is no excuse to be arguing from ignorance.
All one must do is observe the diagram I posted to see that George's claim doesn't add up. If he returned to his truck...how did he get in a conflict where the body was found? Now you may/will say 'Maybe he wanted to go the long route". Well that is being intellectually dishonest, that is the same as passively following after Trayvon.
edit on 10-12-2012 by DZAG Wright because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Grimpachi
reply to post by DZAG Wright
Impossible. Have you looked at diagram of the area? Have you seen where this happened? Martin had to of come back to confront George. The area is too wide open. George lost sight of Martin as recorded on the audio recordings. He was on his way back to his vehicle.
Originally posted by blownaway
i take george zimmermans side. travon martin got killed out of ignorance. i dont even like hearing the name travon martin. this was all to start a race war. for martial law and it was almost sucessfull.
Originally posted by DJW001
Are you saying that despite his confession, Zimmerman did not kill Martin? I honestly don't understand your point.
The word "innocent" does not mean what you seem to think it means.
Zimmerman admits that he is guilty of killing Martin.
The question, yet to be decided in a court of law, is whether or not it was murder.
Originally posted by DZAG Wright
I didn't mention a race...
If it's proved that Trayvon was a criminal and not provoked into defending himself, I will have no problem with GZ.
Again, I have no problem with "crooks" getting boomed...however I don't enjoy gun-happy, cowards playing hero and confronting someone not doing anything, getting their butts kicked, then screaming they were attacked.
Originally posted by DZAG Wright
reply to post by LadyGreenEyes
Had to go find a diagram of the scene to be sure I'm not crazy...
blogs.chicagotribune.com...
Yall are all lying sacks of you know what, insinuating that Trayvon ambushed GZ! Look at this darn diagram and tell me WHERE did Trayvon ambush GZ? He couldn't have! There's no way he circled the entire complex...actually that's not even an option. Look at where his body is found and where GZ's truck is.
I thought people were saying Trayvon was shot by GZ's truck? Like I said lying piecies of *!!!!
The only possible scenario is Trayvon didn't run as he told his girl he wouldn't, and GZ caught up with him. GZ then got his ass handed to him and shot the kid.
Originally posted by AKINOFTHEFIRSSTARS
Come on now. This is exactly what I'm talking about. Did you do this??? These media outlets determine how you make conclusions. There are young kids that shoot guns in school. Does that mean we are aloud to say, "Young kids do this all the time". Im sorry its wrong on all levels.
Originally posted by AKINOFTHEFIRSSTARS
In some cultures, it seems people take more pride in being violent??? What do you mean, the culture the United States constructed on the backs of slavery, murder, treason, theft,and many other atrocities that we celebrate in history class?? Stop watching the news and stay off of Youtube it is very dangerous. I come from one of these communities and its not as easy as you think. People have dreams and goals that they are unable to fulfill due to the lack of resources. I also had the privilege to attend a school a couple cities over when we moved and it was like night and day. There is no reason why any schools should be different from each other. The nice elementary school was 2 stories and very nice. My school prior to moving was ran down, the main building in the school was closed because it was so old. It appeared the school or city has no funding or hope. These are the things you will not find on Youtube or the news. Outsiders looking in tend to have all of the answers.
Originally posted by AKINOFTHEFIRSSTARS
History lessons are no excuse. But when you don't understand that you have a connection to your community, neighborhood, and the human family I understand how that can turn someone into to something that is not native to their being. You still fail to address the issue. Its not about how cheap black market guns are, its how do they end up in these inner communities. Lets take drugs for example, when coc aine boomed, it came through harbors and ports, the majority of so called black did not own boats and if they did they would not risk it all to bring in something of this nature. Look at ecstasy, it was created in a lab and it made its way into the party culture and inner cities. Look at '___' it was created by the CIA for heavens sake, and look where it ended up. Cause and Effect. Decades ago there were not many so called "black" chemist" and if there were I can't imagine one creating a substance that would inevitably destroy the community for which he came. It would be like the upper part of a tree destroying its own roots.
Originally posted by AKINOFTHEFIRSSTARS
Its not about rights and its not about defending your life. I wish wish to enter the grey area. Why did noone arrive?? From what I was told this wasn't a first for zimmerman and why did he feel he was superman or a figure of authority. Neighborhood (keyword) WATCH. If he wants to play the role of security then he needs to follow protocol. Observe and Report. This was totally uncalled for. No one will ever address this side of the issue. What provoked Martin to strike him?? We mysteriously get from suspicion to striking. If we are going to assess and
There is a reason why the legal system does not use the word "innocent," but prefers the term "not guilty." The connotation of the word "innocent" implies certainty about the motivations for an act.
Innocent typically refers to a finding that a criminal defendant is not guilty of the charges, but may also refer to a finding that a civil defendant isn't liable for the accusations of the plaintiff, such as being found not negligent in a personal injury case. It is synonymous with acquit, which means to find a defendant in a criminal case not guilty.
He admits it. He is, by any reasonable definition, guilty, not "innocent." A court might decide that the killing was justified due to circumstances of self-defense, but that does not make Zimmerman "innocent."
Originally posted by AKINOFTHEFIRSSTARS
Lady green and Benreclused.
analyze this then lets do it. What happened??? What would cause a person that is alone to strike someone. This is the missing key. What did zimmerman do???? I will ask again because people are overlooking this fact. We go from observation to attack??? Did he get attacked in his car no!! So this means he got out of his car right?? What happened after that?? Cause and effect. Zimmerman does not have the right to apprehend people based on this mysterious suspicion, he notified the police and that should be the extent of his boundaries. How do we know Martin wasn't defending himself. Maybe he was being followed while he was minding his own business and he felt threatened, especially after Zimmerman got out of his car. Lets think about this..
*snip*
I hope I didn't offend anyone. I just hope when we have these debates we can remain civil and exchange ideas in a mature way. You cannot receive anything with a closed hand, and you can not fill a glass that is full. When you come into these discussions ladies and gentlemen always leave a little room so your opinion can grow with the new facts that are handed to you.
Please think...Death is never the answer we have too many outlets and faculties for us not to produce a rational action. This behavior is animal-like.
*snip*
edit on 7-12-2012 by AKINOFTHEFIRSSTARS because: correction
Originally posted by ThaEnigma
reply to post by LadyGreenEyes
...And that, unfortunately iz the world we live in..smh.. If this iz the World U feel comfortable raising our Future Generations in, well then, I guess we don't need to find Hell..