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Originally posted by Miraj
reply to post by GogoVicMorrow
There never would have been an issue if Zimmerman didn't follow him.
This all never would have happened if the guy never followed him, and never got out of his car. What did he do to warrant being followed. Was he too black in the wrong neighborhood? Are hoodies now a crime? Maybe it was that contraband of skittles and iced tea that he was carrying?
Originally posted by Asktheanimals
I'm not defending Zimmerman's actions in approaching Martin but once he became in danger of being killed he had the same right as anyone to preserve his own life.
Originally posted by Southern Guardian
Originally posted by Asktheanimals
I'm not defending Zimmerman's actions in approaching Martin but once he became in danger of being killed he had the same right as anyone to preserve his own life.
And Trayvon had every right of trying to preserve his life, he had every right to go about his business in that neighbourhood that night. In the end Zimmerman was the one with the gun, he was much older than Trayvon so he should have known better. He made the choice to pursue this matter, and now he has blood in his hands and his face exposed to so many people. Had he stayed put in his truck, his life would not have changed to what it is today.
But today’s bloody photo doesn’t solve the mystery of Trayvon’s hands. There were “No DNA results foreign to Trayvon Benjamin Martin” found on them. Also, in a written statement, during a jailhouse interview and a reenactment the next day, Zimmerman said that he pulled the dead teen’s arms away from his body after killing him. Yet, the police officer who arrived on the scene noted in his report, “The black male had his hands underneath his body.” Until that question — among many — is answered, Zimmerman’s dubious claim of self-defense will remain suspect.
Today, prosecutors released the results of the tests on the slide, trigger, grip and holster of the automatic pistol that Zimmerman used to kill the 17-year-old unarmed teenager in February in a gated community in Sanford, Fla.
To be precise, the tests excluded Trayvon as a possible contributor for DNA found on the gun's grip
Originally posted by 59demon
By your logic, if we all just sit in our houses and never leave our couches
As I see it, Zimmerman may have prevented another from being assaulted or killed.
blog.eyesforlies.com...
In his reenactment Zimmerman is inconsistent again. He tells us he didn't think he shot Trayvon.
Really?
Yet you just read in the written statement he has no doubt and knows exactly where he shot him!! I think anyone can see the truth here, when you compare statements.
From the reenactment:
...I felt like his arm going down to my side and I grabbed it, and I just grabbed my firearm and shot it one time...I shot him and I didn’t think I hit him because he sat up and said, “okay, you got me. You got it, you got it"…something like that. So I thought he was just saying, “I know you have a gun now, I heard it…I’m giving up.”
In the written statement, the timing of the onlooker is different, too.
Honest people don't have all these inconsistencies, folks.
After he shot Trayvon in the torso, Zimmerman says, "At this point, I slid out from underneath him and got on top of the suspect holding his hands away from the body. An onlooker appeared and asked me if I was okay. I said "no." He said "I'm calling 911. I said I don't need you to call..."
Yet in his reenactment, we hear Zimmerman say the following. Notice the timing is different:
"... and he said “Shut the # up.” And um…..then I tried squirming again because all I could think about was…when he was hitting my head against…it felt like it was going to explode. I thought I was going to lose consciousness so I tried to squirm, so I could get…he only had a small portion of my head on the concrete so I tried to squirm off the concrete, and when I did that, somebody here opened the door and I said, “Help me, help me” and they said, “I’ll call 911.” And I said, “No help me”. I need help."
Originally posted by Southern Guardian
Originally posted by 59demon
By your logic, if we all just sit in our houses and never leave our couches
But Zimmerman wasn't sitting in his "couch" in his "house" now was he? He was sitting in his truck which he had driven to track Trayvon, and he had called the police, he was in contact with the dispatcher who clearly stated the police were on their way and advised him to stay put.
We have the police to deal with such matters for a reason.
As I see it, Zimmerman may have prevented another from being assaulted or killed.
But the fact of the matter remains, no evidence exists that Trayvon was doing any wrong that night. Yes, maybe Trayvon would have gone on to rob a bank for all we know, we can pull out all sorts of fantastical possibilities, but the fact remains that Trayvon was not doing anything illegal that night.
Originally posted by karen61560
reply to post by GogoVicMorrow
Where is 17 the legal adult age ? Its 18 here in the US. Though 21 to drink.
Originally posted by karen61560
reply to post by Domo1
The question was whether 17 was a legal adult. The question was not what a 17 year old can do.
So, you will go to the counselor BEFORE or AFTER you are left hemorrhaging on the ground?
I don't believe you, or any other sane person, would overcome his or her instincts of self-preservation because you felt guilty or ashamed that the perpetrator was 17 years of age. Zimmerman most likely didn't even know how old his alleged assailant was... nor did it matter.
Serum Estrogen, But Not Testosterone, Levels Differ between Black and White Men in a Nationally Representative Sample of Americans...
Context : Higher testosterone in black compared with white men has been postulated to explain their higher prostate cancer incidence. Previous studies comparing hormone levels by race might have been limited by size, restricted age variation, or lack of representation of the general population...
Participants, Design, and Setting : A total of 1413 men aged 20+ yr and who attended the morning examination session of the Third National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey (NHANES III) in 1988–1991 were included in this cross-sectional study.
Measurement : Serum hormone concentrations were measured by electrochemiluminescence immunoassays...
Results : After applying sampling weights and adjusting for age, percent body fat, alcohol, smoking, and activity, testosterone concentrations were....
Note: the following Table of Contents highlights other points addressed in the article
from a student that studies the human genome
Scientists don't "know" any such thing! This is wishful thinking - something the Hudson Institute specializes in....
...this is a bu%*^&it site that many of you have used as an argument... ...I asked my biochemist uncle...
...this site has nothing to back up it's data and it shows no records..
Are blacks naturally muscular?...
Answer:
...a science book... will say all major ethnic groups -Black, White, Asian- differ in body structure....
... Black people have bones 2% denser than White people, which means their bodies are more adept for physical activities, which is why they tend to be naturally muscle-bound. This doesn't mean Black people are the best at sports or strongest. It's just scientific fact. The more bone density you have, the easier it is to build muscle. The less bone density you have, the more you have to work to build muscle.
This Graph shows the average bone density for African American (Black) men/women and for Caucasian (White) men/women. The bone density is quite a bit higher in the African Americans....
...differences in bone density are seen even in kids
Development of agriculture in Blacks may have led to high testosterone levels. The highest testosterone levels in the world are found in primitive agriculturalists...
Blacks have much higher testosterone levels than Whites...
...High testosterone levels are linked to violent behavior. High testosterone results in lower IQ, but better fighting & mating skills. Avg. black male IQ : 83...
Black boys’ exposure to high testosterone begins in the womb...
higher Black testosterone levels may be a causative agent in Black crime, aggression and lowered IQ... it could be treated medicinally
in our insane PC anti-racist society, such interventions are banned now and forevermore as “racist.”
edit on 4-12-2012 by esteay812 because: tyops
Originally posted by DocHolidaze
reply to post by 59demon
So, you will go to the counselor BEFORE or AFTER you are left hemorrhaging on the ground?
well for one, i wouldn't be left hemorrhaging on the ground.
number two i would have dissolved the situation before it got to that point. ive always fancied myself a word smith of sorts, and the only times ive ever been in physical confrontations is because i chose not to use my diplomatic debonair. every other time my words saved pain and injury.
but since we live in a word were some adults run on pure emotion(kind of like newborn babys) violence will happen. and if one comes into unwanted violence or violent situation, then you also have the possibility of walking away, running away, and then think on the situation after your safe and decide what is the best course of action. instead of being one of those people that are controlled by there emotions. if i was this zimmrman and im scared of a kid, i run to the nearest house and knock on the door and ask for help, while i have my cell phone out dialing 911 and yell to the kid im dialing 911, once zimmerman was on private property and calling the fuzz im sure the kid would have thought twice about pursuing him farther. but since zimmerman is one of those adult babys, he made all the wrong choices.
i saw the injury pics of zimmerman, far from hemorging. i used come out looking worse than that after a long night of drinking in the woods
I don't believe you, or any other sane person, would overcome his or her instincts of self-preservation because you felt guilty or ashamed that the perpetrator was 17 years of age. Zimmerman most likely didn't even know how old his alleged assailant was... nor did it matter.
self preservation doesn't always mean destruction of life, its the people that think like that make this world a bad place sometimes.
very few would ignore there instincts of self preservation, but for those that would follow there instincts why does the instincts only kick in when its to late, why didn't he start trying to self preserve with his words before the situation escalated. why did Zimmerman only act upon his natural instincts when he had a gun in his hand, i guess there selective instincts to use when you please. he could have acted on his instincts of self preservation to not go walking around by yourself in the dark. see what im saying? he had way more chances of self preservation before he picked up the gun, but didn't act on self preservation until his judgement was clouded by fear, pride, and vengeance. In short he is a coward.
and i bet he didnt know how old he was, how could he? although im sure he could tell he was young as all 17 year look fairly young even if they matured faster than others. either way though, zimmerman was an adult and could have stopped the situation before it happened instead of basing his actions on emotion. now the kids dead and Zimmerman is labeled as a coward for life.
do you really think that kid would have beat Zimmerman to death? i know kids are a little off these days but i believe Zimmerman would have been beat and it would have hurt, and he would have healed and gone about his life. were im from a beating is no cause for death, a beating deserves a beating at the most. but since zimmerman got beat by a sprat, he should have walked away with dishonor and tried to better himself so it wouldn't happen a again. Now he is dishonored and a coward. and he may be "alive" but know he has to go through life knowing he killed a kid, because he was to afraid to do the right thing, and that will always be with him