I am currently in the Yucatan Peninsula studying the Myan culture & 2012

I have talked to many many Mayans over the past week or so and they have ass-ured me that world will NOT end in the comming weeks. However, the 2012 fiasco has brought them many many American tourists and they do not complain.

I visited 2 Mayan ruins and I assure you those people could not predict a thing. Furthermore, no prediction of anything can be determined. It seems the Mayan calendar was complex and very interesting and they could predict some things like when the next day would be.

Also, cycles was a theme....52 years and the long calendar like every day and season. 2012 begins a new season like the end of today and the new year...we continue.

good news.

as the last Mayan i talked about 2012 said, "would you like some more Tequila?"

reply to post by ZetaRediculian


So where are you exactly right now? What town or general area?

What monuments have you visited?

Are you misspelling Mayan consistently, or is that how it is spelled locally?

Have you been talking to regular, everyday modern Mayans?
If so how do they possess knowledge of a calender system that scientists have trouble with?

Or were you speaking with Mayan scholars?

Seems silly to ask the locals about an ancient prophecy... Just like a doubt most Viking descendants could explain the Ragnarok correctly.

Are you there as a tourist, or are you actually part of an archaelogical survey, etc?

Either way, I don't believe in the 2012 prophecy...

I have one problem with this.......your taking away my doom porn

a little late ? aren't you.

if i heard you right you stated that basically, the mayans couldn't predict their way out of a paper bag.

and that their calender is only good for determining tommorow's date , much like ours.

astute observations.

anyway ... enjoy your trip / vacation.

reply to post by ZetaRediculian


This just strengthens the point where the current Mayans may not be associated with the ancient Mayans. Just like you won't find an Egyptian elder who truly knows what happened in Giza, the current Egyptians have no clue and may not be associated with ancient Egyptians.

The only thing they share in common is the land, and a belief they are actually a part of a rich history. In fact both cultures got extinct, and what left is merely a try to resurrect what is already long gone.

If this is the current Mayans, and they left astronomy in favor of drinking Tequila, I would need a big face palm pic here.

Perhaps the "Myan" could not but the Mayas were very accurate in most of the astrological movements with their calender(s). Not to mention that they predicted the existence of Sagittarius A* (our own supermassive black hole) almost in the middle of the Milky Way. Or the many solar ecliptic events they predicted.

authenticmaya.com...
www.exitmundi.nl...
www.dosmundos.com...

Chitzen Itza was an amazing experience. Back when I visited they still let people climb to the top. There's also a passageway inside the pyramid itself with a jade puma/jungle cat statue.

There was a crazy "aura" at Chitzen Itza. Very high energy. The stones on the sides of the main pyramid almost look like sheets of metal. It really does look quite alien.

When I visited the Colosseum in Rome it was the complete opposite. The Colosseum felt very "dead" -- no energy, no "vibe". The same can be said about most of the places I visited in Europe.

One thing I found interesting was that while most of the architecture was very "Meso-American, the observatory looked very European in design. It looked like it didn't quite fit in with the rest of the site.

2012 isn't the end of the world. It's the end of an age.

I'm just kinda wondering here....but asking Maya you happen to find wandering around and as you note, unable to predict their own next meal, let alone future doom is kind like asking the kiosk r0dents hawking every manor of widget outside Vatican City about the deep secrets of the Vatican Archives, isn't it? I mean, why would average people who happen to have come blood that dates back in heritage..know anything more than someone else? As I understand this whole topic, it's complex enough to have academic scholars who spend their lives on this, debating the meaning and actual purpose of the big stone wheels?

Originally posted by Osiris1953

So where are you exactly right now? What town or general area?

Playa Del Carmen....just back from Tulum.
here is my ip: 201.116.81.82

What monuments have you visited?

The one in Tulum an another somewhere.

Are you misspelling Mayan consistently, or is that how it is spelled locally?

no and no. correction noted.

Have you been talking to regular, everyday modern Mayans?
Or were you speaking with Mayan scholars?

If so how do they possess knowledge of a calender system that scientists have trouble with?
both.

I talked to a tour guide who explained some things and to a local teacher and to a priest and to some locals. The general theme is of "silly Americans".

Seems silly to ask the locals about an ancient prophecy... Just like a doubt most Viking descendants could explain the Ragnarok correctly.

yes but fun

Seems like your making this up, which is why I'm asking questions. Are you there as a tourist, or are you actually part of an archaelogical survey, etc?

I'm in Mexico drinking Tequila.

Let me put it this way. The general feeling is that there is no significance to any of this and that it is an American phenomenon. Common Mayans and not scholars? Who are you and what are your credentials?

The point being is that this is THEIR culture that they came from not ours. There is no "prophecy" handed down to them or anything like that.

As far as them not being from an EXTICNT culture. perhaps their 2012 came long ago.

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Interesting... Thanks for the update. Good to know.

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
I'm just kinda wondering here....but asking Maya you happen to find wandering around and as you note, unable to predict their own next meal, let alone future doom is kind like asking the kiosk r0dents hawking every manor of widget outside Vatican City about the deep secrets of the Vatican Archives, isn't it? I mean, why would average people who happen to have come blood that dates back in heritage..know anything more than someone else? As I understand this whole topic, it's complex enough to have academic scholars who spend their lives on this, debating the meaning and actual purpose of the big stone wheels?

yes correct. are you above average in your culture? Every culture has a complexity worthy of scolarly study, no?

reply to post by ZetaRediculian


you need to talk to a "Keeper of Days"
not just anyone claiming to be mayan

looks like you haven't done your studying yet

and alcohol and studying dont mix
even if you're only studying the señoritas

reply to post by ZetaRediculian


Touring Mayan ruins and drinking tequila,That's where I want to be now and for the next three weeks.

The stones making a little fun at it all,or having fun with it all.................

reply to post by ZetaRediculian


unless you're native, they wouldn't tell you anything if they did know. with any AmerIndians you will have traditional's and non traditional's living in the same area's. in some cases most native people, that strike up any conversation with non native people, will always prefer to keep it small talk. it's not a matter of racism, it's a matter of trust and most don't trust non natives.

although i appreciate your story and hope you're having a good time, you won't be learning anything "real" from the native people there.i'm not saying you nor they are lying, just that you are not in a position to "know" anything from what they tell you.

Originally posted by DerepentLEstranger
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you need to talk to a "Keeper of Days"
not just anyone claiming to be mayan

looks like you haven't done your studying yet

and alcohol and studying dont mix
even if you're only studying the señoritas

...and you have been to Mexico talking with the locals about all of this?

There are many Mayans here that will blow smoke on you and anywhere else you will let them.

Originally posted by MystikMushroom
Chitzen Itza was an amazing experience. Back when I visited they still let people climb to the top. There's also a passageway inside the pyramid itself with a jade puma/jungle cat statue.

There was a crazy "aura" at Chitzen Itza. Very high energy. The stones on the sides of the main pyramid almost look like sheets of metal. It really does look quite alien.

When I visited the Colosseum in Rome it was the complete opposite. The Colosseum felt very "dead" -- no energy, no "vibe". The same can be said about most of the places I visited in Europe.

One thing I found interesting was that while most of the architecture was very "Meso-American, the observatory looked very European in design. It looked like it didn't quite fit in with the rest of the site.

2012 isn't the end of the world. It's the end of an age. [

I have heard that the Chitzen Itza light show is very cool at night. Too bad the Vatican has not adopted this as a WOW factor for tourists,

reply to post by ZetaRediculian

Nawww. Can't say I'm above average. That's what I'm in college for. To educate myself and improve those cultural skills.

I wish ya luck down there. I was a thinking it was something else by the OP and title. I hadn't imagined 'Studying the Maya Culture' was between bar shots and parties. lol...

That works tho! I can think of far worse places to be for the Holidays. I hope it's all uneventful for ya. Surely they'll have some extra partying on the 21st for the tourists.

To hell with the tequila. I'd be out looking for a shaman with some Ayahuasca if I were there

Originally posted by Xaphan
To hell with the tequila. I'd be out looking for a shaman with some Ayahuasca if I were there

ahh, yes my brother! That is another time and place...more south of here. Brazil and lower. Up north is the Peyote with Huichol. I did try some Jobo leaves or something...but not very impressed.