NYC Homeless Man Shoeless Again Despite Boots, page 2


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reply posted on 3-12-2012 @ 02:38 PM by Cosmic911
reply to post by FlyersFan



No surprise here. I once gave five bucks to a homeless guy at the mall during Christmas time. He yelled at me because I didn't give him more! Well, I yelled back and took my five bucks.



reply posted on 3-12-2012 @ 02:50 PM by MDDoxs
reply to post by GArnold



Interesting you brought up "The Man with the golden voice" as i was thinking the same. However, last i heard he was charged for beating a ex-wife and was back on the sauce?

Some people get accustomed to a way of life eg. drinking on the street, and they will revert back to it.


reply posted on 3-12-2012 @ 03:55 PM by JIMC5499
reply to post by BASSPLYR



In Jacksonville Florida about 1988 there was a man who always stood by a busy intersection during rush hour with a sign that said "Will Work For Food". When cars stopped for a red light the drivers would give him money. At the time the City of Jacksonville started a program to help homeless people. They were setup with a place to stay, food, clothing, medical care and a job. Everything was covered for six months to give the person time to establish some savings and then they were on their own. One reporter thought it would be a good story to introduce this guy to this program and then follow through to see how it came out. When the reporter approached the man about the program, he was told that the man wasn't interested. Something didn't sound right to the reporter, so he watched the man one day. At the end of rush hour, the man walked across the street, reached behind a bush for a cap and jacket, put them on and walked across a parking lot to a fairly new Mercedes, got in and drove off. The reporter got the license number and found out that the man wasn't homeless. As it turned out the man was making upwards of $1500 a day panhandling for about 3 hours. To me the ironic part was that a Judge said that he couldn't be charged with a crime, because his sign said that he would work for food, but, nobody ever asked him to work. The story did put an end to his scheme, because, everybody knew who he was and wouldn't give him any money.

The program to help the homeless was dropped, after only having five people apply for it out of the estimated 4 to 8 thousand who would have been eligible for it.

I have to wonder if the woman on the bus was doing something like this, that's why she cut up the shoes.
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reply posted on 3-12-2012 @ 04:35 PM by MyMindIsMyOwn
Originally posted by FlyersFan
He's a veteran and he has family he can stay with. His family said they invite him often to come live with them and that they love him but the homeless man WANTS to be homeless.


Bull feathers. Did you bother to read further than your Yahoo sourced article? No? Well I did and in this one his brother states that until this happened they had no idea his brother was homeless:

The family of Jeffrey Hillman, the shoeless man helped out by a police officer in Times Square, had no clue their relative was living on the streets.

The man's brother, Kirk Hillman, was shocked when he recently saw his younger brother make headlines around the world after the selfless officer gave the homeless man a new pair of boots.

'The last time we heard from him was maybe a year ago on New Year’s Day,' said Tish Hillman, who lives with Kirk in Allentown, Pa. 'Once a year, he calls us to let us know he’s OK.'
Daily Mail Article Linked in your Yahoo Source

Or, because it fits your preconceived ideas of whats going on here, do you choose instead to accept this version of it from one of Jeffrey's neices?
'Jeffrey has his own life, and he has chosen that life, but he knows that our hearts and home are always open to him,' said Alegra Hall, Kirk Hillman’s daughter, told the newspaper.

'He knows that,' she said. 'He’s well aware of that.'
(Source being the same article linked above, found at the very end of the story)

My question is why does the brother, Kirk Hillman, first claim above he had no idea his brother was homeless,then go on to insinuate that his brother Jeffrey in the past has refused the offer of living with them? As evident in the second linked article in the Yahoo source from the OP The NY Daily News that states:

“We love our brother very much,” Hillman’s brother, Kirk, of Nazareth, Pa., told the Daily News Sunday, adding that he was surprised to see his brother in the newspaper. “Our door is always open to him, but this is a lifestyle he’s chosen.”


I have to wonder just why this bit of the OP's Yahoo sourced article was left out of the OP, as it clearly indicates to me a man, Jeffrey (lets give him some dignity and call him by his name and not 'that homeless man'), that is indeed grateful for the gift:

"I appreciate what the officer did, don't get me wrong," Hillman continued. "I wish there were more people like him in the world."

He added: "I want to thank everyone that got onto this thing. I want to thank them from the bottom of my heart. It meant a lot to me. And to the officer, first and foremost."


Sometimes in our rush to assist... or in some cases judge..... we forget that life on the streets is vastly different than most of us can even imagine. Those shoes may very well be stashed somewhere because they are new, nice, now 'famous' and therefore coveted by others living on the streets and that could very well get Jeffrey killed. He may have sold them too, who knows...and we probably will never know unless there's another article that comes out later where Jeffrey took a reporter to the location of the stashed shoes. All I know, is that I choose to have some faith that Jeffrey's story is true until proven otherwise.

To automatically jump to a convenient harsh judgement of another human being simply because of his station in life at the moment seems crass, cold, haughty and greatly lacking in the compassion that we all seem to recognize is lacking in our world today and mourn the loss of but have a very hard time practicing.
edit on 3-12-2012 by MyMindIsMyOwn because: punctuation


ETA: In re-reading my original response I noticed that I was mistaken, The same brother, Kirk Hillman, in one article (Daily Mail) claims he had no idea his brother was homeless, then states in another article (NY Daily News) that Jeffrey has always known he was welcome in their home. I've corrected the mistake in my response.
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reply posted on 3-12-2012 @ 04:41 PM by lee anoma
reply to post by MyMindIsMyOwn



Good points.

Some people are saying that the lesson here is: "No good deed goes unpunished."

I disagree.

I believe the lesson here is: "Kindness is its own reward."

Don't commit any act of kindness with the expectation of some sort of 'return'.

- Lee
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