just wondering if there are any prophecies about how the world will end..............

Also im sure i have been told, about an'''Iman Mahdi"""(not sure if that's how it is spelt................that is to come for the end of the world......


Another one is ........Do ''Muslims'' beleive that Enoch and Elias(Elijah) will come before the Antichrist to warn the whole world..........

any answers will be welcome..........(well answers that are based on ''Islam'''....thanks!!!

Oh dear...
much the same as Jews and Christians (if you take away the Jewish and Christian bits).
Jesus (Isa) is in there: there's a last "Imam": there's eternal hellfire, there's Judgement day: Allah is a bit more benevolent and the Muslims have a notion akin to purgatory.
Yawn...blah...search "Muslim eschatology" cyber-chums and ask some proper questions afterwards, if you want to.

..spam...'n'..scam...'n'...spam...'n'..scam...aaarrrghh

The world will be divided in two great empire who will fight (And of course, the muslim will win...) called Gog and Magog, like in the apocalypse book. The kuran is freely inspired from the bible so christians, jews and muslims have the same myths.

They also say that when a day will as fast like an hour, an hour like a minute, and a minute like a second, the times will end.

They also say that when Tower higher than minaret will be build, then times will end (This is probably inspired by the babel tower myth, in the bible).

Mohamad sais that this day, mountains will explodes and earth will be destroyed.

A fact that arabs dont like to hear is that Mohamed also said that this day, he will probably speak against the arabs...

this are mentioned in QURAN...

[Edited on 3-5-2003 by Nans DESMICHELS]

Originally posted by Nans DESMICHELS
Mohamad say that this day, mountains will explodes and earth will be destroyed.
[Edited on 3-5-2003 by Nans DESMICHELS]

This sentence is many time use in the Quran, and many comments of the QURAN about this phrase say that it may be because a meteor will destroy the Earth.

They also say that when Cat and Dog will have sexuals relations, the end will be there.
Bible say so too.

[Edited on 3-5-2003 by Nans DESMICHELS]

Helen, Muslims have many theories about end of the time, the Djiad etc, etc...
Many of them, words from the Quran, have been used by the alqaeda leaders to endoctrin (program) the 9/11 terrroist authors.

In fact, muslims believe that Ossama BINLADEN is the XXX prophet descendant.
(XXX is a number I dont know).

Tell me if you dont understand me, because my english is not good, and I'll try to find some links for you.


[Edited on 3-5-2003 by Nans DESMICHELS]

lol.......i do understand you.......my dad speaks like that!


That is interesting, because we(orthodox christianity) have similar prophecy......although the dog and cat thing........i never heard of it.........

thanks nans! much appreciated........

I asked, because i remember someone telling me or reading it (i cant remember) that Constantinople(current Istanbul....Turkey) will be invaded and that it will remain once again Muslim terrotory........

Orthodox Christianity say ......... Constantinople will once again become ''The capital city of Orthodoxy'' known to the world............Hagia Sophia...was a great Church........now it is in the hands of the turks and it is a museum..........the interior of the church is painted with Christian Icons of Jesus Christ and the Apostles........the paintings were once painted over by the 'Turks and they ''miraculously appeared again..........

---Little introduction...---

"God is the Knower of the future; He does not permit anyone to unveil such knowledge. Only through the messenger that He chooses does He reveal future and past events" 72:27

---This world will come to an end.---

"We have adorned everything on earth, in order to test them, and thus distinguish those among them who work righteousness. Inevitably, We will wipe out everything on it, leaving it completely barren." 18:7-8

"When the horn is blown once. The earth and the mountains will be carried off and crushed; utterly crushed. That is the day when the inevitable event will come to pass." 69:13-15

---A new earth and new heavens will replace the present heavens and earth.---

"The day will come when this earth will be substituted with a new earth, and also the heavens, and everyone will be brought before GOD, the One, the Supreme." 14:48

---Signs of the Approaching End of the World---

"Are they waiting until the Hour comes to them suddenly? All the signs thereof have already come. Once the Hour comes to them, how will they benefit from their message?" 47:18



[Edited on 3-5-2003 by VzH]

Originally posted by Estragon
Oh dear...
much the same as Jews and Christians (if you take away the Jewish and Christian bits).
Jesus (Isa) is in there: there's a last "Imam": there's eternal hellfire, there's Judgement day: Allah is a bit more benevolent and the Muslims have a notion akin to purgatory.
Yawn...blah...search "Muslim eschatology" cyber-chums and ask some proper questions afterwards, if you want to.

..spam...'n'..scam...'n'...spam...'n'..scam...aaarrrghh

Estragon you keep saying spam...........well, the spam I have is in my cupboard..........not in this thread.........!!!
Dont get.......aaarrrghh coz i'd send you some if you want!!!

Originally posted by Nans DESMICHELS
In fact, muslims believe that Ossama BINLADEN is the XXX prophet descendant.

Maybe 1 out of 30000.

Osama Bin Laden is not a Muslim.

Why?

Because he violates basic islamic rules, for example - destroying an innocent life is treated as destroying all of mankind - by God.

Just like when someone calls himself a Christian when he's a racist, what do you call this man? A false Christian. What do you call a "Muslim" like Osama bin Laden. You call him a fake Muslim that's what you call him.

Muslims believe in the second coming of Jesus Christ and when he comes back the Judgment will be very near.

"Maybe 1 out of 30000.

Osama Bin Laden is not a Muslim.

Why?

Because he violates basic islamic rules, for example - destroying an innocent life is treated as destroying all of mankind - by God." ----Another One




I couldn't agree more. I have written many things about the way Bin Laden preaches and most of it is on another website, but I do say countless times that Bin Laden defies Allah and Mohammed in the worst of ways. Whatever Bin Laden tells you about God is a lie. Bin Laden knows no God. God knows Bin Laden though. I often wonder what God thinks of Bin Laden.

In my opinion, the end of the world for Muslims shouldn't be any different from the end of the world for any other culture. For in today's world one button being pressed by one finger could destroy us all. I couldn't see how many Muslims could have a unified belief about the end of times. I think because Islam is so vast, that Muslims today don't understand the old ways. The Muslims today are being pulled into this materialist world we all seem to know quite well in the Western World. So I don't think that belief systems apply to them anymore, for the bulk of 'Muslims' are not even real Muslims. Muslims pray 5 times a day, and speak the language of the Koran. Many Muslims don't even know Arabic, and therefore they cannot understand the Koran without interpretation. That is where and why a lot of Muslim hopefuls get raped of their faith and reverence to God. When they are decieved they start worshipping other things than God. They live by the un-just, and God knows no un-just. Therefore those who live without just, live without God. One who lives without God, no longer is a follower, but a wanderer.






[Edited on 3-5-2003 by Abraham Virtue]

Osama Bin Laden is not a Muslim.
Why?
Because he violates basic islamic rules, for example - destroying an innocent life is treated as destroying all of mankind - by God.

And a very natural question that comes to mind is "If Islam is indeed a religion of peace and tolerance, then why do some Muslims seem involved in violent and terrorist groups?"
This is a very difficult situation to understand.

In recent times, violence & terrorism has unfortunately come to be associated with Islam and Muslims. For a religion called "Islam", which derives its meaning from the arabic root word "salama" (meaning: peace/submission), and whose followers do not get tired of greeting each other with "assalamu'alaikum" (meaning: peace be on you), association with the term of 'violence' is quite ironic!

You can also found that Islam denounces Terrorism :

"Invoke your Lord with humility and in secret. He likes not the aggressors. And do not do mischief on the earth, after it has been set in order, And Invoke Him with fear and hope; Surely, Allah's mercy is (ever) near unto the good-doers."
Qurán 7:55



[Edited on 3-5-2003 by VzH]

Great replies both Abraham Virtue and VzH.

one side says they are practicing true islam

the other side says the same.


who should we believe and why?


ones fundamental and the other is not

Originally posted by krossfyter
one side says they are practicing true islam

the other side says the same.


who should we believe and why?

Easy, we reject the ones who perform actions which are against the teachings of the Qur'an.

Rejecting the liars, hypocrites, terrorists, murderers, and overall evildoers.

=)

[Edited on 3-5-2003 by another_one]

Originally posted by another_one

Originally posted by krossfyter
one side says they are practicing true islam

the other side says the same.


who should we believe and why?

Easy, we reject the ones who perform actions which are against the teachings of the Qur'an.

Rejecting the liars, hypocrites, terrorists, murderers, and overall evildoers.

=)

[Edited on 3-5-2003 by another_one]

doesnt the other side claim that the way of following Allah is to kill the infidels (the non believers).. .that supposedly that concept is in the quran.

?????

Originally posted by krossfyter

Originally posted by another_one

Originally posted by krossfyter
one side says they are practicing true islam

the other side says the same.


who should we believe and why?

Easy, we reject the ones who perform actions which are against the teachings of the Qur'an.

Rejecting the liars, hypocrites, terrorists, murderers, and overall evildoers.

=)

[Edited on 3-5-2003 by another_one]

doesnt the other side claim that the way of following Allah is to kill the infidels (the non believers).. .that supposedly that concept is in the quran.

?????

LOL

Read what I said.

>>>Easy, we reject the ones who perform actions which are against the teachings of the Qur'an.

Rejecting the liars, hypocrites, terrorists, murderers, and overall evildoers.<<<

Rejecting them because of their actions against the teachings of the Qur'an.

"Killing the Infidel" is not a teaching of the Qur'an.

Nor is the "infidel" a Jew or Christian in Islam. Infidels were called the pagan arab tribes who were against Muhammed (pbuh). Those who felt threatened by the religion he was preaching.

Just as Illmatic67 said in an earlier post: self-defense is a part of life.

Krossfyter, here is the Qur'an on Christians;

"Say: 'O People of the Book (i.e., Jews and Christians)! Come to common terms as between us and you: That we worship none but Allah; that we associate no partners with Him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, Lords and patrons other than Allah.' If then they turn back, say ye: 'Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims (bowing to God's Will).'" - The Qur'an 3:64

or

"Strongest among men in enmity to the believers (Muslims) wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans; and nearest among them in love to the believers wilt thou find those who say, 'We are Christians': because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant." - The Qur'an 5:82

Sadly, that type of Christians, true Christians, are getting smaller - and very rare.

Peace.

Originally posted by another_one

Originally posted by krossfyter

Originally posted by another_one

Originally posted by krossfyter
one side says they are practicing true islam

the other side says the same.


who should we believe and why?

Easy, we reject the ones who perform actions which are against the teachings of the Qur'an.

Rejecting the liars, hypocrites, terrorists, murderers, and overall evildoers.

=)

[Edited on 3-5-2003 by another_one]

doesnt the other side claim that the way of following Allah is to kill the infidels (the non believers).. .that supposedly that concept is in the quran.

?????

LOL

Read what I said.

>>>Easy, we reject the ones who perform actions which are against the teachings of the Qur'an.

Rejecting the liars, hypocrites, terrorists, murderers, and overall evildoers.<<<

Rejecting them because of their actions against the teachings of the Qur'an.

"Killing the Infidel" is not a teaching of the Qur'an.

Nor is the "infidel" a Jew or Christian in Islam. Infidels were called the pagan arab tribes who were against Muhammed (pbuh). Those who felt threatened by the religion he was preaching.

Just as Illmatic67 said in an earlier post: self-defense is a part of life.

Krossfyter, here is the Qur'an on Christians;

"Say: 'O People of the Book (i.e., Jews and Christians)! Come to common terms as between us and you: That we worship none but Allah; that we associate no partners with Him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, Lords and patrons other than Allah.' If then they turn back, say ye: 'Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims (bowing to God's Will).'" - The Qur'an 3:64

or

"Strongest among men in enmity to the believers (Muslims) wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans; and nearest among them in love to the believers wilt thou find those who say, 'We are Christians': because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant." - The Qur'an 5:82

Sadly, that type of Christians, true Christians, are getting smaller - and very rare.

Peace.

i am reading what you are saying. i want to keep an open mind about this. i am not sure about it being GOOD or EVIL. i am but questioning. since i believe in Jesus as the only way to God and not throught islam or mohammed or anything else but me being open minded and and artist i have to question. i can never change my view of Jesus being the only way. that will never change. anyways... i am just trying to see whats up here with this stuff. i dont want to form an opinion without any questioning.

well muslims who believe a different form of islam then you use this im sure...


taken from Sura (chapter) 9:5 of the Koran. I?m reading this directly out of the book and this is from the Koran
'When the sacred months are passed, kill those who join other gods wherever you find them, and seize them, beleaguer them and lie in wait for them with every kind of ambush. But if they convert and observe prayer and pay the obligatory alms, then let them go their way.'


peace to you to man. rock! im no trying to be mean with you. just converse ya know.

......Is there ''muslim'' prophets that have prophecied about the end of the world.........eg

In the Christian orthodox church there is many prophetic words given to us for the coming of the End Of Times, what will come about, and how things will be around the time of the Antichrist.............is there such prophecy delivered to the Muslims ???

Originally posted by krossfyter

Originally posted by another_one

Originally posted by krossfyter

Originally posted by another_one

Originally posted by krossfyter
one side says they are practicing true islam

the other side says the same.


who should we believe and why?

Easy, we reject the ones who perform actions which are against the teachings of the Qur'an.

Rejecting the liars, hypocrites, terrorists, murderers, and overall evildoers.

=)

[Edited on 3-5-2003 by another_one]

doesnt the other side claim that the way of following Allah is to kill the infidels (the non believers).. .that supposedly that concept is in the quran.

?????

LOL

Read what I said.

>>>Easy, we reject the ones who perform actions which are against the teachings of the Qur'an.

Rejecting the liars, hypocrites, terrorists, murderers, and overall evildoers.<<<

Rejecting them because of their actions against the teachings of the Qur'an.

"Killing the Infidel" is not a teaching of the Qur'an.

Nor is the "infidel" a Jew or Christian in Islam. Infidels were called the pagan arab tribes who were against Muhammed (pbuh). Those who felt threatened by the religion he was preaching.

Just as Illmatic67 said in an earlier post: self-defense is a part of life.

Krossfyter, here is the Qur'an on Christians;

"Say: 'O People of the Book (i.e., Jews and Christians)! Come to common terms as between us and you: That we worship none but Allah; that we associate no partners with Him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, Lords and patrons other than Allah.' If then they turn back, say ye: 'Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims (bowing to God's Will).'" - The Qur'an 3:64

or

"Strongest among men in enmity to the believers (Muslims) wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans; and nearest among them in love to the believers wilt thou find those who say, 'We are Christians': because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant." - The Qur'an 5:82

Sadly, that type of Christians, true Christians, are getting smaller - and very rare.

Peace.

i am reading what you are saying. i want to keep an open mind about this. i am not sure about it being GOOD or EVIL. i am but questioning. since i believe in Jesus as the only way to God and not throught islam or mohammed or anything else but me being open minded and and artist i have to question. i can never change my view of Jesus being the only way. that will never change. anyways... i am just trying to see whats up here with this stuff. i dont want to form an opinion without any questioning.

well muslims who believe a different form of islam then you use this im sure...


taken from Sura (chapter) 9:5 of the Koran. I?m reading this directly out of the book and this is from the Koran
'When the sacred months are passed, kill those who join other gods wherever you find them, and seize them, beleaguer them and lie in wait for them with every kind of ambush. But if they convert and observe prayer and pay the obligatory alms, then let them go their way.'


peace to you to man. rock! im no trying to be mean with you. just converse ya know.

Kross, your attempt to bash Islam= failure. Especially with that quote from the Qur'an you've quoted about killing people who join other gods. Like God didnt command Moses and Joshua to slaughter thousands of pagans before.