Originally posted by lacrimaererum

Originally posted by Jason88

UPDATE:
Mars rover finds complex chemicals but no organic compounds ... yet

Although NASA's Curiosity rover hasn't yet confirmed the detection of organic compounds on Mars, it's already seeing that the Red Planet's soil contains complex chemicals — including signs of an intriguing compound called perchlorate.

source:cosmiclog.nbcnews.com...

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Edit to add, updating as it happens (wrapped up)

Main lede: Complex chemicals found, possibly organic compounds but more science needed. Carbon, oxygen and chlorine methane as perchlorates broke up and reacted with carbon (NASA doesn't know where the carbon is coming from). Water is present. NASA needs to do more science... not enough organic compounds found to be "really interesting." NASA looking for a more "rich organic environment for the rover."

hmmmmm????? strange.

was this not already common knowledge?

In June 2008, the Wet Chemistry Laboratory (WCL) on board the 2007 Phoenix Mars Lander performed the first wet chemical analysis of martian soil. The analyses on three samples, two from the surface and one from 5 cm depth, revealed a slightly alkaline soil and low levels of salts typically found on Earth. Most unexpected though was the presence of ~ 0.6 wt % perchlorate (ClO4-), most likely as a Mg(ClO4)2 phase.[30]

en.wikipedia.org...


(anyway it seems it a component of rocket fuel , so the aliens probably left the traces of it when they were setting up our earth colony.
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Originally posted by reject
reply to post by Jason88

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I don't get it.

This is the same # phoenix found on mars back in 2008.

faeces on mars?

If anything, this is confirmation something is #ting all over the mars surface

Originally posted by Jason88
reply to post by cartesia

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Solid points regarding organic material versus the building blocks for life. Thanks.

In taking notes (my OP) I can say for certain that NASA did a great job confusing the audience; they even had a hard time describing the organic material, the carbon, where it came from, why it matters. Sure NASA scientists knew what they found, but even they contradicted each other as more information came to light. (Maybe contradict is too harsh of a word, other scientists corrected others while adding more detail that at times further confused the discussion).

And to be fair, these guys aren't communications professionals, but maybe they should take some classes since the public wants to hear from them directly.

Anyways, toward the end of the conference they crystallized their message, but it took several scientists to nail it. I've cleaned up my OP substantially so it's readable in a timeline - but while taking notes it was a mess trying to follow these guys.

edit on 5-12-2012 by Jason88 because: (no reason given)

So did these experiments detect life? Well, if they had it would be all over the news and would probably have saved NASA a lot of money as no other probes to search for life would have been needed. They may have sent probes to bring back microbes but this would have been much more interesting than the present rover missions and worth a little cash. Unfortunately the tests revealed that Mars has a very chemically active surface as all the experiments yielded results. Unfortunately the results were and still are controversial and still open to interpretation at both ends of the scale. Some scientists still believe there is life and some do not.

Originally posted by 0pass
reply to post by Jason88

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Seems like NASA keeps doing this to hide the real story that there is a river flowing at the spot where curiosity has landed. That is what the following picture suggests...at least to me besides all the fossils and artifacts I have uncovered.

Close up shot of River.


Long shot of River.


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Originally posted by 0pass
reply to post by Jason88

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Seems like NASA keeps doing this to hide the real story that there is a river flowing at the spot where curiosity has landed. That is what the following picture suggests...at least to me besides all the fossils and artifacts I have uncovered.

Close up shot of River.


Long shot of River.


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