'True Blood' town evacuated after 6 million lbs. of explosives found

reply to post by SELAboy

I don't even think in terms of conspiracy anymore relevant to this mess...aliens, or whatever. What I do think of is the danger involved. There have been new and serious developments. Read my post down the line relevant to todays headlines. No one would want this kind of scenario going on in their town. Who cares about True Blood. If things go wrong, there will be plenty of real blood around here.

Maybe we all should start questioning and wondering...the scenario gets stranger by the minute.

Many propellants like this are de-milled by turning them into fertilizers.

They all contain large amounts of nitrogen and can be broke down into high grade chemical fertilizers.
www.arctech.com...

The newest, latest news headlines at Shreveport news websites today are disturbing to say the least. Headline reads: CHAIN BLAST feared before cleanup at Louisiana site. The poor quality video there has state police spokeswoman and Webster Parish sheriff Gary Sexton mentioning that things have taken a new and more serious turn. The evac time has been extended again, to Thursday and perhaps beyond. They have found degraded "product" containers in buildings and will have to repack them before moving. The halls where they were found are small and narrow and will be difficult to work in safely. They fear if the one building goes, many of the other buildings at the camp will go as well. Who knows what all is in some of the others. I imagine it would all make one heckuva boom.

They suspect even MORE than the 6 million pounds of product will be found now. They were vague as too how much. They did say that if things that go bump in the nite or a roman candle or whatever other unforseen happenstance should occur, it will have serious results. They say that even the so-called technical explosive experts don't know what could happen at this point. Comforting. So far, no lightning with the storms here yet.

This entire dealy gets stranger and weirder by the minute. Many folks here in NW La. haven't even got to the conspiracy worries or ideas at all. I can't see how anyone would feel we are wrong to be concerned and wondering relevant to the ineptness. We have to account for liquids and creams we take on a plane but "officials" at an arsenal camp can"t/don't keep track of dangerous product? Some folks here say all that is happening is the "norm" and happens all over at these kinda places. Well, maybe that needs to change.

Whether a conspiracy is involved or not, won't make much difference to the residents should the unthinkable happen. There sure should be an investigation if something does occur tho. I'm not sure about ATS rules relevant to giving the local news link but I can post it later if it is o.k. Folks can than read or hear video themselves. I will be away from computer for a bit as MS acting up...stress does that. The Shreveport Times news paper may have same news as well.

reply to post by shrevegal


I'm with you, shrevegal. My sarcasm (not mean spirited BTW- can't always project levity in typed form) was more for those who want to make something of this that it is not. For folks like you, this is dead serious. These companies (BP, Texas Brine, EXPLO, etc) need to be both controlled, and if they exhibit criminal negligence they should be properly punished.

I'm a pro-business, free market libertarian. When the state (in these cases both federal and state governments) works closely with large corporations, you get something very different than free markets. You get corporatism with a thin shell of pretend compassionate socialism to cover it up.

The companies get "punished" but not really. And the following regulations that occur to "protect the people" end up being a means to protect said corporations from smaller, local competitors while not affecting the worst perpetrators at all. Many of the smaller oil companies who were complying with existing safety regs are out of business while BP is still making huge profits. Go figure.

It's all fun and games for Democrat and Republican politicians, but those who suffer are people like shrevegal up in the northwest, or the Cajun folks down in Bayou Corne, or the fisherman on the coast after BP.

Its time for folks in La to stand up to the feds and to clean up our own politicians.

Be strong up there. Us folks down here in Yat/Cajunland are thinking about ya.

Here's some local news/updates/ and background for anyone who is interested:
www.shreveporttimes.com...
www.shreveporttimes.com...

www.ksla.com...

en.wikipedia.org...

geauxguard.com...

Originally posted by SELAboy

Originally posted by LadyGreenEyes
reply to post by JBA2848

 

Interesting. Did anyone else note the National Guard training area in the same location? Plus, what, exactly, is "demilitarizing" explosives? For what purpose? Something is seriously off with this one.

Demilling explosives is necessary for explosives that aren't used. Otherwise you are more likely to get what happened in October - an explosion that naive people link to UFO activity, fracking, or the NWO.

The site was an Army Munitions Plant for decades which had to be decommisioned as an official army base. It is very common for these former regular Army bases to be turned over to a state's National Guard, especially in a disaster prone state like Louisiana. The military infrastructure is already in place. The on site military contractors can still operate since the Guard is DOD (moreso than ever now). After Katrina, Louisiana saw the need to operate out of more bases across the state rather than concentrate operations in one or 2 posts in the Southern portion which gets direct hurricane hits on a regular basis.

It is just irresponsible contractors thinking they can get away with cutting corners because they are politically connected. And, in the end, after a slap on the wrist and a fine that will be reimbursed via state tax credits, they likely will get away with it. So yes, in that regard,something is seriously off.

Or this is a conspiracy connected to South Korea, David Vitter, the producers of True Blood, and the Reptilians from Alpha Draconis.

Thanks for responding. I guess what I am wondering is how they are able to get away with storing so much in one place, and apparently, so unsafely. It would seem the stuff should be put to use some way or another, not stockpiled near where people live. The National Guard sharing the same space seems a little odd, only because you would think that either they would have it, or some contractor would, not both. Of course, we weren't told how big this area is, or how close the two actually are, either.

Originally posted by Biigs
think they will set off a controlled detonation or actually attempt to remove the explosives, because that would be one massive bang, equates to something like 3,000 kiloton nuke!!!!

You'r maths is a tad wonky - 6,000,000 lbs is 2,721,554 Kg, which is 2,721 tonnes. So roughly speaking, it would be 2.7Kt, but that measurement is based on tons of TNT, not this explosive....

Interesting pdf from the EPA Superfund for clean up. Page 138 shows a map of the place and what each area was used for. The building where the explosives were stored by Explo Systems Inc was the Heavy Duty Shell Loading Line.
www.epa.gov...

You can match the buildings from Google Map.to the pdf and get a idea of what goes on at Camp Minden.
goo.gl...

But it still does not explain how 6 millions pounds of explosives just seem to be left outside in the open. It reminds me of the air craft bone yard where they are purposely there to show other countries by satellite it has been dismantled and stored. Could this be solid rocket fuel from nukes meant to be viewed as evidence the nukes were taken apart? Camp Minden seems to be used for dumping a lot of stuff in land fills scattered at the base. It even has burn pits like Area 51.

reply to post by JBA2848

But it still does not explain how 6 millions pounds of explosives just seem to be left outside in the open.

my

thoughts exactly !! why??

reply to post by SELAboy

SELAboy, I liked what you had to say and I also want to thank you for your kind words and understanding and for wishing well to me and the folks involved. I really appreciate such at a time like this. You made a lot of valid points and had interesting views relevant to the way things work. You are right, folks here need to start stepping up to the plate relevant to setting things right in this state. When we moved here from Phillie, it was so pretty here. Things have changed a lot in recent decades...on the political front and in other aspects as well.

Many new businesses have been locating here and that has been great for the area....however, a few oil/gas companies have been problematic as far as following the rules and respecting the citizenry and we folks here need to try and see what we can do to rectify some of that...or get politicos and other individuals in authority to help make things better, safer, and such for all concerned.

Thanx also for providing all the links related to the situation.

Someone posted as to the size of the camp. I believe it is about 15,000 acres and the National Guard does training there. I hope those young men, state police, sheriffs and all others in the cleanup will be safe and well.

There must always be some element of risk when being involved with a project of this nature. Blessings to you and thanx again.

The explosion at the camp in October even had officials perplexed and a few even mentioned the reports of lights in the sky. There was no theory about aliens involved as is being mentioned at some other websites talking about this. The officials themselves DID mention wondering about a possible meteor strike causing the explosion. There have been a lot of reports of meteor sightings and strikes of late. The locals weren't mentioning ufos at all as far as I know. That the sheriff and other officials mentioned possible meteor strike is interesting though, I think.

The fracking issue is for another thread I suspect. It is entirely possible that product might have to be moved again if we start having a bubbling issue up here in NW La...I don't think that is the case right now with this situation. There is so much fracking going on up here though, it may affect the arsenal someday. I know the toxic chemicals used can make some folks sick and even some scientists feel the practice can aggravate/cause seismic issues.

I apologize to anyone that may have taken my comments as silly or conspiracy theory-ish, (just made a new word). The True Blood references were an attempt to try and lighten up a really bad situation. If things go wrong here, they may decide to film elsewhere...perhaps in a town near one of ya'll. Lol.

A lot of folks here in La. are retired military from elsewhere, same as hubby and me....not locals. I just hope this all gets resolved safely at the camp as we do have relatives that actually live in Minden. Should the unthinkable happen, 3 generations of our family would be no more. There are many nice folks here in Louisiana...and they just want results and answers. Thanx again all for listening. Everyone here has had interesting things to say and a lot of the posts have merit and we may find out someday that there is more to the event/story then we know now....or not. It can't hurt to discuss any and all theories at this point...because there have been no adequate answers/explanations made to our satisfaction yet. Everyone here at ATS cause us to have thought provoking dealys and look at all aspects of things and that is a good thing. Blessings to all.

I heard a report on NPR the other day that said something about the big cheese from Explo not being around, the suggestion was that he bugged out pretty quickly as the poop was impacting the rotary cooling mechanism.

Anyone know anything about this?

Can't find anything in print media.

reply to post by AGWskeptic


They say he is in South Korea. And nobody wants to comment from the calls they make to the business. I am not sure who is in South Korea.

The people connected to Explo Systems Inc

David Fincher President/Owner
Marty Liggins ?
Ferris Callihan Director Support Technology
David A. Smith Vice-President/Owner
Terry Wright Vice-President Operations
Ken Lampkin ?

Email addresses are located on this PDF. I find it interesting that Marty Liggins uses [email protected] Instead of a Explosystems.com account?
tpm.dac.army.mil...

I normally won't say this, but this is pretty scary news..

Seems Explo Systems Inc had 616 packages of TRINITROTOLUENE TNT delivered from Turkey in January.

www.importgenius.com...

Bill of Lading No. FLMHDT3787MC01 Arrival Date 2012-01-05 Voyage No. 9111 Vessel Name DANICA RED Shipper MAKINA VE KIMYA ENDUSTRISI KURUMU TANDOGAN 06330 ANKARA TR Consignee EXPLO SYSTEMS INC 1600 JAVA ROAD MINDEN LA 71055 US Notify Party EXPLO SYSTEMS INC Port of Loading Derince Burnu Port of Discharge Beaufort-Morehead City, North Carolina Declaration of Goods 616 PKGS STCTRINITROLUENE TNT UN 020 LASS 1 13 640 KGS GW 16 PKGS STCTRINITROTOLUENE TNT UN 020 LASS 1 13 640 KGS GW 16 PKGS STCTRINITROTOLUENE TNT UN 020 LASS 1 13 640 KGS GW 16 PKGS STCTRINITROTOLUENE TNT UN 020 LASS 1 13 640 KGS GW 16 PKGS STCTRINITROTOLUENE TNT UN 020 LASS 1 13 640 KGS GW 16 PKGS STCTRINITROTOLUENE TNT UN 020 LASS 1 13 640 KGS GW 16 PKGS STCTRINITROTOLUENE TNT UN 020 LASS 1 13 640 KGS GW 16 PKGS STCTRINITROTOLUENE TNT UN 020 LASS 1 13 640 KGS GW 16 PKGS STCTRINITROTOLUENE TNT… Other Information Available Gross Weight, Number of Units, Volume, Country of Origin, Carrier Code, Ship Registered In, Container Number, Marks & Numbers

I guess that is the official Turkish Government arms manufacturer. They even have there website on the .gov.tr domain.

www.mkek.gov.tr...

reply to post by JBA2848


I just wanted to give this a bump.

I found your post very interesting.

www.shreveporttimes.com...

A whole town evacuated and they are still not even half done moving the explosives.

It's been three weeks and counting since authorities investigating an Oct. 15 explosion of a storage bunker being used by Explo Systems Inc. at Camp Minden in Webster Parish discovered (and began moving) about 6 million pounds of improperly stored explosive propellant powder. In that time, the public has received few answers to a list of growing questions about the company's safety procedures, specifically, and the governance of this industry, in general. While enough of the material has been transported to safer storage so as to allow residents of the small town of Doyline to return home (a nearly week-long evacuation order was lifted Dec. 7), according to authorities, the process of completing the relocation of the material will most likely take two to three more weeks.

Three weeks and the owners are still hiding.

Doyline residents and other tenants at Camp Minden deserve to hear from the people in charge about not only how this storage issue developed but what happened with the Oct. 15 blast as well. The lack of contact with Explo owners is disturbing, in the least.

And now the politicians think they might have to review their policies.

For now, though, the focus must be on clearing away the immediate danger of the current situation, and we appreciate the efforts of those involved in that task. The next step moves away from Camp Minden and into the court systems as Explo faces not only civil litigation, but criminal charges as well. The whole situation tells us one thing: In this instance, the self-regulation methods employed in the highly-regulated explosives industry has bitterly failed on two counts — safety and monitoring — and it's time for a complete review.