Revisiting the case of Dr. David Kelly

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posted on Dec, 4 2012 @ 05:45 AM
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Thank you for this thorough discussion. It really is amazing how much evidence there is that MI6 were involved in his murder, or that, at the very least, he did not take his own life.

There is another aspect of this that I feel is vitally important to add...

After the death of the MI6 "spy" Gareth Williams found in a holdall in the bath of his London flat, guess who conducted the post-mortem!?



Dr Shepherd, who conducted one of the post-mortem examinations of Gareth Williams, has previously worked on other high profile cases including the deaths of Princess Diana and the government scientist David Kelly.


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A death in Oxfordshire, a death in London, and a death in Paris, with the post-mortem all carried out by the same man. And he conveniently finds in all three cases that no other investigation is needed and asserts that Diana died due to the accident alone, Gareth killed himself by locking himself inside a small bag, in a bathtub, without leaving any DNA traces on the bath whatsoever, and that Dr David Kelly took his own life despite the repeated contradictions from witnesses and medical professionals...

Dr Shepherd is a paid agent in my opinion, placed in this position to cover up for MI6 and the government where a cover up needs to take place.

Thanks again for creating this thread. It really is astounding that the the majority of the British public knows nothing about all of this, and so many think the man did take his own life.

After seeing the first responders in their news conference giving their opinion, and then seeing it almost immediately vanish from the BBC and never mentioned again, it proved to me that the BBC is being controlled and silenced on this story. The idea that this news conference wouldn't be big news is incredible, and the fact that it went silent so quickly and so easily is just more evidence of the cover-up.




posted on Dec, 4 2012 @ 06:30 AM
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"Whats the point is so true", perhaps not for you and I and older farts,


I'm 20 so I still consider myself rather young.



posted on Dec, 4 2012 @ 06:42 AM
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I haven't done much work on Dr Shepherd before, although after reading your post I think that could possibly change as that's genuinely really quite interesting, but I have done a fair bit of work on Gareth Williams. A thread of mine on him can be found here in fact: The Suspicious Death of MI6 Agent Gareth Williams..

Coincidentally yesterday, after posting my David Kelly thread, I was talking to a friend of mine via PM and I brought up the similarities between both of their deaths. Not the way in which they physically died, but particularly the situation that arose afterwards, more so with the investigations than anything else. Very odd indeed.

Great post there and I thank you for it.
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posted on Dec, 4 2012 @ 07:36 AM
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Having only read bits and pieces in the past about this case, though enough to see how much of a lie the government has been telling us, I look forward to sitting down and reading this thread and so posting here so I can find you again easily. Thanks for putting in the time to make this.



posted on Dec, 4 2012 @ 08:39 AM
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Here again is proof that those who are or would be a real threat (as was Dr. Kelly) to those with true power and the will to use it, are not threats for long. This is why they will have their way in this world; because those who would oppose them refuse to fight fire with fire and thus we are like the sheep unto the wolves.



posted on Dec, 4 2012 @ 09:36 AM
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I know they say he died from cutting his wrist but why is there no mention of a sharp object like a blade? Surely if he killed himself the blade must've been somewhere very close to his body... im confused haha.
Great thread and great sources . S and F!



posted on Dec, 4 2012 @ 10:13 AM
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He's said to have used a garden knife, which I imagine is easily sharp enough to cut through his wrist if he so wanted it to. And It was found close to him. The thing I find very odd is the fact that no finger prints were found on the knife, nor were any finger prints found on the other possessions Kelly had, such as his water bottle and pill packets, both of which he used according to the OS.

It's worth pointing out that no gloves were found either so we can safely assume that his finger prints should at least be present.



posted on Dec, 4 2012 @ 11:26 AM
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Perfect example of the criminal global reach and influence accomplished through deception and propaganda. RIP Dr. Kelly.
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posted on Dec, 4 2012 @ 11:49 AM
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I dont know about anyone else here, but I personally feel that a lot of the crimes of deep state are deliberately sloppy, and the cover stories so appallingly and clearly false, as a way of covertly telling anyone in a position of authority that they'd better tow the line or else.


That's genuinely a really interesting theory and something I thought of, although not to that extent, when writing up this thread. I mean, I thought if this was indeed a murder case as so many suspect it to be, how the hell could it have been done so sloppily? Surely this was not the work of a professional. If it was, not a very good one. But.. maybe, just maybe, it was on purpose?

The blood, the finger prints, the missing pills etc. etc. You may in actual fact be onto something there. I have to be honest though I just don't know. It's tough to really commit to it. This case, as is the many others like it, is just very, very odd. And to say the least.

It's crying out for an official, wholly independent investigation - one that It'll just never receive.
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posted on Dec, 4 2012 @ 11:54 AM
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Maybe it was done in a sloppy manor so that the majority of people would wonder if it was a professional hit or not.

One thing is for sure , someone like Dr Kelly had a million easier ways to kill himself painlessly with chemicals rather than trying to hack his wrist with a garden knife and bleed out in pain.

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posted on Dec, 4 2012 @ 12:11 PM
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Quite possibly, and It's something that should definitely be considered.

In regards to your second paragraph I just don't know. Anything could've been going through his head, he could've seen himself on tv at the time for example and just thought "Enough is enough, I'm ending this right now!" We just don't have that crucial information. A sad fact is this - People slit their wrists everyday, people hang themselves everyday, people just do horrible, painful thing's to themselves every single day. For that reason alone I can't assume Kelly is exempt from what the OS story says.

Looking at the case as a whole I feel differently but looking at the way in which he died isn't enough as people do that very same thing on a daily basis.



posted on Dec, 4 2012 @ 12:41 PM
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Its the guys job to work with chemicals and biological agents that kill on a daily basis, plus he was a doctor. I would find it very hard to accept he would cut his wrist with a garden knife. He would understand the pain it would cause and that it not the most efficient way to kill yourself.

I think when it come to suicide people use what they are familiar with or whatever they can get their hands on to do the job. Most doctors use chemicals when they commit suicide and this one had access to them more than most.

So i seriously doubt the OS for that reason. Also like i said in an earlier post i doubt the 'weapons of mass destruction' estimate that was in the news at the time would have been been enough for him to kill himself. They guy was doing far more serious stuff in this career, the iraq thing was a pain in the ass but just a drop in the ocean to what has gone on in the past.



posted on Dec, 4 2012 @ 12:43 PM
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I know I may have overlooked this in the thread but will
inquire anyway,was the pills prescribed to him
recently?Or at all?
It would be rather easy for them to find out if the
pills were prescribed to him since they are a controlled substance.

The article stated he had a disorder
swallowing pills.I would think or would make more sense
that his doctor would prescribe liquid painkillers
instead?

As I said not sure if this was brought up before.

So I will add this small detail to the rest of the
circumstatial evidence available



posted on Dec, 4 2012 @ 01:05 PM
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Just the fact that they didn't do / didn't release the autopsy report, is a huge red flag. Coroners can easily tell if a wound is inflicted before or after death, and how much blood was lost.

I think the lack of evidence in this case proves foul play.



posted on Dec, 4 2012 @ 01:26 PM
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Excellent thread RA S&F

Most of what you have written in your OP is not new, most of it is covered in a Book by Norman Backer MP. I personally believe that Dr Kelly was assassinated, by whom I think is the question and a difficult one to answer.

Also not to be pedantic but I think that the 45 minute claim was in relation to WMD, specifically chemical weapons not nuclear weapons.



posted on Dec, 4 2012 @ 01:38 PM
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Not pedantic at all, If I've made a mistake, point it out. I'm here to learn after all.


Btw, I may have some trouble posting again in the near future. My laptop seems to have just packed in randomly and I'm writing this from elsewhere. I'll try and post when I can but just letting you guys know just in case it's definitely gone.


Edit: And all seems to be working again. That was weird.
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posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 10:23 AM
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Another great thread RA. Very creepy and undoubtedly an assassination in my opinion.

It's probably been mentioned but Kelly also had problems with his right hand, so much so that he couldn't grip properly--which is more reason to believe he didn't slit his own wrist.



posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 10:26 AM
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Originally posted by Rising Against
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Edit: And all seems to be working again. That was weird.
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It was THEM lol.



posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 10:28 AM
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If I'm found in the woods.. you know It wasn't suicide.



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