Originally posted by helen670
yes they have...........
trying to ''oobe'' out of body experience is dangerous because you cannot control what you do ..........in many circumstances the ''oobe''
experience is a false taste of what life would be like 'after death''..........
yes and i'm sure you have a lot of experience in this field yourself.sorry, but if you do then i can only say that you're experiencing something
different. or have no idea how it "works"
I personally have had an NDE last march. i didn't want to leave the celestial fields and i literally had to be dragged back by several entities and
my guides back into my body. i was also able to tell about the things that were done at my time of death. such as i had to be lifted out of the flat
by firemen into the ambulance and how i saw the docter and nurse hook me up to the machines.
i also OBE on an almost daily base, depending if i got something i have to attend to in the astral realm or not. I even looked up/researched death and
the reincarnation process in the akashic records. there is nothing dangerous about OBE's. it's just as dangerous as walking on the streets and
worrying about getting shot by someone that walks by. all i can say...religious superstition.
what i've noticed is that a lot of religions people know very little about spirituality and discard anything that is even mildly related to
paranormal phenomena as satanic/anti-christ stuff. unfortunately most crap on this world is created by "god" for a greater, progressive, purpose
which most people can't even see. people die because God wants it to be so for many reasons, which most people don't know. yet people blame satan or
whatever, because it's not acceptable in their point of view that lifes get taken for "no decent reason".
back to the NDE's. the astral realm/after life it's all energetic. we lose our human ego's and physical form there and become our true selfs. our
soul, energetic consiounce whatever you make of it. in this form you can take on any shape you'd like with or without certain clothing. seeing
everything is energetic you can manipulate it to become anything you want. this is also why almost everything there is personal, because everyone has
their own interpetation and creates their own reality with which they are comfortable.
most people on this planet are directly, or indirectly, indoctrinated by christian beliefs. so it's natural that they create a heaven or hell.
doesn't mean it's actually there. they made it themselves. so in their eyes it actually excists. same for having relatives accompining you or a
tunnel with light, they create that themselves as well. if you create hell it actually means you have regrets about your life here. shame...people
seem to enjoy torturing themselves throughout their lifes. luckily you'll be stripped of your human limitations after death and only got your pure
soul left. else people would be tormenting themselves afterwards as well.
like the bandit says. from a scientific point of view it's difficult to say whether you're dead or dead dead. even with criteria it doesn't really
matter. in both cases you leave your body and go "home". in both cases your body is empty. in the scientific dead dead case it means your body is
also deteriorating. being dead is similar to having obe's. you can go to the same places and do the same things, cept you still have a body to return
to when you're done there.
if there are demons, angels and such in the after life/astral realm...well there are entities that you can give those labels if you wish. but it's
the same as walking on the streets. there are nice and evil people as well in daily life. people just love to over do things. what happens to you is
your own doing, you allowed it. or you're mentally not strong enough to resist which again is your own fault. the only people that go mentally insane
after having experienced negative situations that include spirits/demons whatever are the ones that are mentally weak to begin with.
in short. good and evil does not excist. it's only in the eye of the beholder. good and evil depends on your opinion of what is good or bad. another
person finds something else good/bad. even the generally excepted laws to control the masses are just that. i refuse to follow the law btw and just do
what i feel is right for myself and what someone else says...well i don't care. i'm not letting another ignorant individual tell me what's good or
bad, how do they know what is good for me? i'll be the judge of that.
we're here to learn the few lifes lessons we get on our path and the rest we're here to enjoy and have a good time. and some of us also have a task
to do, but i'm not going any deeper into that
also it's more important to have real experience instead of only theoretic knowledge from any kind of book. you'll notice that there is alot of
difference. the astral realm isn't excactely standing still and a lot has changed after 2000 years since the bible or any other holy book was
a review of sci-fi movies about ghosts? that's nice. to bad most that appears on the tv isn't even close to reality. even the ones based on real
experienced are changed partially so it appeals more to the watching public. same way a lot of other things are given a bad reputation while it isn't
wrong. the oujia bord for excample. it's not wrong. the people who use it do it wrongly giving a negative experience. but people forget that you can
call upon the entities/ghosts in other ways as well, but you rarely hear negative experienced from that now do you? even though the risk is the same
as with an oujia bord. and no you don't open portals or any other supersticion.
science still has a long way to go, but it always had. the human biological structure is partially still uncharted territory. in the sense we don't
know excactely how it works. also the humans are capable of evolving and seeing/doing things that are scientifically impossible. people also get new
ideas and theories and science always runs behind the facts. science evolves slower because it depends on people.