The "Near-death experience"

Near death experiences can be explained scientifically.

It is the shifting of consciousness from the third dimension, into the 5th dimension. The chord, which connects the 5th dimensional body, and the 3rd dimensional body, is cut at the time of death.

NDE's happen when a person has a traumatic enough experience to cause the immediate shift of consciousness, yet the chord linking the two bodies is not cut.

It is closely tied to the String theory, and is accepted in some scientific circles.


[edit on 6/10/2005 by AkashicWanderer]

This is a link to my nde's.
One can either believe it or not, but it was as real as I am sitting here or realer...

nderf.org...'s_nde.htm


PS: It takes a lot for a person to share such personal truths, so if you will,please do not diss it..Thank you.
I was the youngest hysterectomy ever done at that time..according to the hospital records.

[edit on 6-10-2005 by siriuslyone]

Originally posted by siriuslyone
This is a link to my nde's.
One can either believe it or not, but it was as real as I am sitting here or realer...

nderf.org...'s_nde.htm

PS: It takes a lot for a person to share such personal truths, so if you will,please do not diss it..Thank you.

I just read it and i want to hear the rest that u saw.

U wrote:

There is much more I saw on the different planes, but some of it I will not speak of just yet.

Can u tell it now?

Originally posted by plop
I just read it and i want to hear the rest that u saw.

U wrote:

There is much more I saw on the different planes, but some of it I will not speak of just yet.

Can u tell it now?

He probably cant, cause there are words in our language that cant comprehend the words that are needed to discribe such events in thier fullest.

In other words if you took a trip to the moon, you would possible state there there are no words on this planet to discribe what I felt at a paticular time, or saw.

Anyway I do believe in Life after death, NDE's and all that other cool stuff that has to deal with this area of death..

Why there are certain things one has to look at to come to a conclusion...

1) so we know that the Vatican accepts EVP's and states that they are exactly the beings of the afterlife???

2) WE do know that Edison and many many many others have helped scientists after they have died???

3) There have been controlled instances where things like this have been done.. Fighter pilots have been thru this a few times..

and on and on and on... On closing I would like to state that everything about an NDE can be disproved exept the one thing that is an OOBE.. where one who has died gave exact discription of everything that was happening to them when they were dead, all the way up till they were zapped into thier bodies wit them electric paddles.

That most of these people were medically illiterate on anything to do with saving ones life.

So, we can state that NDE's are fake.. sure easy.. Prove the last part i stated to be wrong.. Need help take a look at Moody's Books you can get an idea.. or The Tibetan Book of The Dead and many many many others..

ohh BTW many good sceptics have tried to prove the OOBE part to be fake but were unsucessful on it.

And to Helen who stated OOBE's are a bad thing.. I would really like to you research what you state cause that is completely false of what you said.

Lets see you can start off with Robert Monroe, Peterson and Bruce for starters. They have all stated that OOBE/AP's are a good thing for us.. it states it also into the bible if you would like to know.. and also It is better for spirital growth...

also about OOBE/AP check out this site..

www.astralvoyage.com...

I have a few other things to say but I will wait a while.

Originally posted by ThichHeaded
And to Helen who stated OOBE's are a bad thing.. I would really like to you research what you state cause that is completely false of what you said.

Lets see you can start off with Robert Monroe, Peterson and Bruce for starters. They have all stated that OOBE/AP's are a good thing for us..

You are basing your opinion on the effects of out of bodies experiences through faith, in other men. Helen is also doing it on faith, and neither can say the other is wrong.

it states it also into the bible if you would like to know.. and also It is better for spirital growth...

I would be very interested in this passage being quoted, rather than being talked about. As well as I can remember there is no mention of OBE's in the bible, other than a slight reference to the silver chord being cut at death.

The Bible thing, as I am refering to thr Silver cordalso..

THe OOBE thing, I was there once, and was a few times when I was younger.. so I am talking from exp.

Also there is a person on this forum that goes by theRiverGoddess, she is documenting her exp online.. link below.

conscious Oobe....It's Real!!

Now if it was so bad, I believe this person would be in a mental institution or something worse, I also think that she would be telling us alot more evil things that go on there than just cool experiances.

Now onto the factual side of this, there are more people who have done this which I cant give right now for I am not where i am suppost to be.

Also Sciene has been thoughly woking on this such thing, as with other physic thing have most have deemed it unknown at this time how someone can give detailed info on a occasion while as I stated earlier Dead, or uncounsious.

[edit on 10/7/2005 by ThichHeaded]

I have an interesting book you should read.

A Lawyers view on Life After Death

This guy puts it as if he were going to court, as he put it in the supreme court of the US or another court in another country..

It will give us alot to talk about after this is looked at.

Originally posted by ThichHeaded
THe OOBE thing, I was there once, and was a few times when I was younger.. so I am talking from exp.

I have no doubt you have been in an out of body experience, however to say if it is "good" or "bad", takes a lot more than just having the experience, and reading books.

Also there is a person on this forum that goes by theRiverGoddess, she is documenting her exp online.. link below.

Now if it was so bad, I believe this person would be in a mental institution or something worse, I also think that she would be telling us alot more evil things that go on there than just cool experiances.

I'm not saying that consciously dreaming will make you crazy, we are solely discussing the unknowability of whether consciously projecting is "good" or "bad".

"Cool" experiences I do not think have a direct correlation on to whether astral projection is good or not.

Now onto the factual side of this, there are more people who have done this which I cant give right now for I am not where i am suppost to be.

Refer to first reply.

Also Sciene has been thoughly woking on this such thing, as with other physic thing have most have deemed it unknown at this time how someone can give detailed info on a occasion while as I stated earlier Dead, or uncounsious.

Yes, science is very close to proving the existance of other dimensions with the string theory. Its existance however, does not tell us whether it is "good, or "bad.

To clarify something, I am not debating whether astral projection is real, I myself have done it. I just want to know how you can say that Helen is wrong, just by having a few experiences, and reading books.

[edit on 7/10/2005 by AkashicWanderer]

Originally posted by AkashicWanderer
To clarify something, I am not debating whether astral projection is real, I myself have done it. I just want to know how you can say that Helen is wrong, just by having a few experiences, and reading books.

Its like going to Kennywood.. Amusement park or whatever for the 1st time. I am sure that people wouldnt do it if it was a bad thing. Same thing with AP/OOBE I wouldnt say it was bad thing, ya sure I have heard of bad experiances but usually those are from using drugs or something..

I am saying that she shouldnt say something that is false just cause she thinks it is with nothing to back it up..

I dont say anything to anyone on this site unless its backed up.. as you have seen in my few posts here. If it is as bad as she has stated thing I would like to see something to back up her claim..

Its like me saying the moon is made of cheese, in reality its made of rocks and ice and whatever else.

Originally posted by ThichHeaded
Its like going to Kennywood.. Amusement park or whatever for the 1st time. I am sure that people wouldnt do it if it was a bad thing. Same thing with AP/OOBE I wouldnt say it was bad thing, ya sure I have heard of bad experiances but usually those are from using drugs or something..

People do many bad things, in their mindframe it doesn't matter if it is bad or good, as long as they are "fulfilled".

I am saying that she shouldnt say something that is false just cause she thinks it is with nothing to back it up..

You have said it is "good", without backing it up. She didn't say it was false, she said it was "bad".

Its like me saying the moon is made of cheese, in reality its made of rocks and ice and whatever else.

That proves my point, when you say that astral projection is good, it IS like stating the moon is made of cheese, there is nothing to back it up.

P.S. the moon can be quite possible be made of cheese. I assume you have never been to the moon, and have not scientifically studied its material structure. Until you have, you cannot state what the moon is made up of, without it being your own opinion, and not a reality.

I'll check out that book, looks interesting .

[edit on 7/10/2005 by AkashicWanderer]

Ihave arealtive who went trough a NDE now she clams to have seen ghosts the same can be said about M. Nyite Shamaulan he won't come out and admitt it but if they play the scifi channel documety the berried scerect of M. Nyite Shamaulan
also i herd you should not follow the light becuase its a trick.

Originally posted by geekboy
also i herd you should not follow the light becuase its a trick.

Maybe you should tell that to the 13 million plus people who have had NDE's that and came back to tell about it.. I bet they would beg to differ.

Remember boys and girls most of what you see on TV isnt exactly the truth.

Also I am getting a lengthly post together about what AkashicWanderer asked. But considering all the amounts of people.. 13 million in the US and countless other around the world not including kids in the US who have NDE's I dont see why having an OOBE is such a bad thing..

From what I understand is when NDE'ers mainly not refering to self induced OOBE.. they have a profound look on life after it has happened. Then again that probably from all the evil they have seen. (italics is sarcasm.)

Not only that there are a far fewer cases of a negative OOBE than most realize.. I am guessing these people where truly evil in this life or in the past.

[edit on 10/8/2005 by ThichHeaded]

Originally posted by AkashicWanderer
Near death experiences can be explained scientifically.

It is the shifting of consciousness from the third dimension, into the 5th dimension. The chord, which connects the 5th dimensional body, and the 3rd dimensional body, is cut at the time of death.

NDE's happen when a person has a traumatic enough experience to cause the immediate shift of consciousness, yet the chord linking the two bodies is not cut.

It is closely tied to the String theory, and is accepted in some scientific circles.


[edit on 6/10/2005 by AkashicWanderer]

M-Theory, String Theory, and the Holographic theory for the win.

According to string theory and it's mathematics that I can't even begin to comprehend, there are a supposed 11 dimensions. We exist in the first 4 - 3 spatial, 1 temporal. Who's to say the other 7 dimensions don't exist as other planes of existence other then our own? (If String/M Theory is proven correct) No one can.

(Note of reference: Current science actually has proven the existence of the 4th spatial dimension - but it's current size is smaller then the Plank length [A stupidly small quantum size] and would take roughly 11 quadrillion times the amount of energy our civilization can produce to access it.)

At somepoint in time, you can't keep denying everything that comes to light, no matter how bogus or 'evil' it may sound just because some book or way of social/personal life says it is. With the amount that we DON'T know about the universe and possible multiverse we exist in - NOTHING is ever exactly set in stone.

Originally posted by helen670
Almost any bookstore sells works on the "near-death experience" (NDE). Actually a collection of experiences reported by individuals who have approached death, or undergone death and then returned to life, the NDE is widely interpreted as a genuine, representative experience of the afterlife.

Elements of the NDE include a "life review" in which all the events of one's life on Earth are recapitulated; visions of the future; and a meeting with a mysterious, luminous being (commonly called the "being of light") that is said to express great love for the individual, without passing judgment on his or her life and deeds, no matter how sinful they may have been.

The NDE has been interpreted as evidence that judgment of individuals after death does not occur, and that there is no reckoning for one's works, good and evil, performed on Earth. According to this view, one may expect a joyous afterlife, almost regardless of what one believes and does before death.

Comforting though it appears, the NDE phenomenon is founded on faulty assumptions, selectively chosen evidence, and lies. On numerous points it contradicts the teachings of Scripture, the Patristic writings, and Holy Tradition concerning death and the afterlife, and appears to be one element of the emerging religion of Antichrist.

orthodoxinfo.com...

I don't understand how people can say things like this.

Since you are insisting people abandoning their real experiences such as NDE/OBE/AP, I counter-insist that you abandon your beliefs which are based on what you were taught, not what you have experienced.

Yes, it's all evidence against your beliefs, be very afraid and call us satanic...

If you are so sure of yourself and your book, you can always learn to project to other planes and see if what you believe is real or not.

Originally posted by helen670
According to this view, one may expect a joyous afterlife,
almost regardless of what one believes and does before death.

I have read many NDEs that recount a hellish experience. I saw a TV
show about a one priest who 'died' in a car accident in Kansas and then
came back recalled being told he deserved Hell but that a female voice
(Mary) asked for mercy and he was sent back to Earth a changed man.
He had been sentenced to Hell, and at the time he knew he deserved it,
because he had been living for himself instead of Christ.

There are Hell experiences, but from what I have read many people
don't want to admit to them, therefore there are less of them documented.

How would you like to wake up from being dead, have people ask you
about what happened, and all you have to say is that you deserve and
were sentenced to hell? Betchya most of us wouldn't talk about it.
We'd say nothing happened and hide.

Hell experiences are there. They just aren't admitted to.

Well, since it has BEEN about 2 years or so since I last wrote this post AND IT'S BEEN RESURRECTED.........I may just as well take that seat!

Take a seat honey. Realize that your very basis of review is solely biased based upon your own opinion formed from what some supposed 'holy' book tells you. Experience one for yourself and then come back telling us the same thing. Having the experience is always greater then word of mouth... or book in this case.

Although this is based on OTHERS experience of an OOBE, I myself have also experienced an OOBE.....(out of body experience)
I also was involved in mild occult....and practically did seances every day for many years.....they all fall in the same category .....the experience may seem different, but it is all the same...
You feel powerfull and all knowing.
You feel that you have achieved something that others could not and it becomes like a strange force that you NEED to continue doing this.
The original article does speak of Traditions held from the early Church....and if one is Christian, then one should not avoid this teaching .....
We have MODERNISM......WHY?
Has God changed?
NO!
Why would i put my faith in todays science, when Science keeps changing!

Flyers, you are right!
Many people do have experiences of Hell and are sent back to their bodies.
The problem though rests with the individual.
HUMILITY......
Prayer is needed and people avoid it ......only when things get tough, we begin to question God and things around us.
Here is another article BASED ON A TRUE OCCURANCE...... ........now,whether one beleives it or not,is up to themselves....
TRUE OCCURANCE

A review of the movie GHOST(Demi moore and Patrick Swaize)

GHOST
and others......
HERE

So , although this may be just a few peoples experiences, we cant just DENY IGNORANCE!
IX
helen

[edit on 10/28/2005 by helen670]

Interesting.......

after reading the replies on this thread you can clearly see that there are two trains of thoughts here.

The ones that believe in an after life and those that need scientific proof of one.

I look forward to the day when science proves it

Helen:

I have found Ghost, Defending Your Life w/ Meryl Streep and When Dreams May Come to be the MOST accurate descriptions/movies of after death.
Thanks for the original post..

Siris///

I have found Ghost, Defending Your Life w/ Meryl Streep and When Dreams May Come to be the MOST accurate descriptions/movies of after death.
Thanks for the original post..

Hi ,
I have only seen Ghost.....the other two you mentioned ..don't think I came across them......

There are many things that cannot be explained......that is why the early church Fathers called many unknown Godly things a ''MYSTERY'' because it it is a mystery to us, but to God everything is possible.....

IX
helen