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Originally posted by Grimpachi
reply to post by undo
Could you please rephrase or explain further. I would really like to understand what you are trying to say and I think what you are saying is relatively important that I don’t want to misinterpret it.
I am not trying to be difficult hers but with many of your posts I feel like I need an interpreter to get the real meaning that you are trying to convey so a lot of times I do my best and hope that I am getting the full meaning however this time I am really having a hard time understanding you. Sorry for the inconvenience.
What Buddha said is to Buddhism, as what Christ said is to Christianity.
Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by vasaga
Buddhism asserts that there are gods
Buddha did not.
and even though these gods exist in parallel to humans and are completely different than the Abrahamic god, in the sense that it's not an all-powerful creator, no need of worship and so on, they still believe in them.
There are many Buddhist 'religions' that splintered themselves from original Buddhism that elevate Buddha to godliness and worship him. So Buddhism is a religion technically due to that. But again, Siddhartha Gautama did not include god-belief in his philosophy.
If atheism is defined as believing in a god or gods, then by definition, Buddhists can not be atheists.
Buddhism as portrayed by the Buddha is atheistic.
Originally posted by blackcube
Let's pretend god exists.... Which god?
And after that the most important of question : WHY should I worship such god? Give me good reasons for me to do it. It's simple question and I never heard a good reason to do such thing.
“The irony is that while God doesn’t need us but still wants us, we desperately need God but don’t really want Him most of the time.” ~ Francis Chan
“"Do you know that nothing you do in this life will ever matter, unless it is about loving God and loving the people he has made?” ~ Francis Chan
“Can you worship a God who isn't obligated to explain His actions to you? Could it be your arrogance that makes you think God owes you an explanation?” ~ Francis Chan
The Purpose of Your Life by Francis Chan
Originally posted by Murgatroid
Have you ever wondered about the possibility that just MAYBE the creator of the universe just MIGHT happen to know what is best for us?
Originally posted by vasaga
That question is completely meaningless, not only on itself, but also in regards to discussions. If you don't have free will, how can you make a choice regarding what you want or don't want? Think about it for a second..
There are two scenarios..
1) You don't have free will. In this case, whatever your answer, it was not you who chose it because your will is not free, thus, the question has no value since your 'want' does not exist.
2) You have free will. In this case, you already have it and whether you want it or not, you have to live with it. In this case, the question again has no value.
How these types of posts get stars is beyond me.
Originally posted by Seede
You continue to ignore the point of this discussion.
I believe you have the shoe on the wrong foot. It is not the creationists who claim that a monkey gene accidentally split some thousands of years ago and the end result is the human species. The only fact of this is that a gene can be split. Nothing more than that. No proof of an accident. No proof of evolution. No proof of thousands of years ago. And yet this fable is parroted about till it is accepted as fact by people such as yourself.
Originally posted by Bluesma
Originally posted by Kody27
Please don't get confused and start comparing science with religion. No they're not the same, one is based on bogey tales, the other is taken from direct observation. You can't have faith in something that you've directly observed because it's there. Faith is only required when you can't observe something but choose to believe it anyway.
I don't know why you quoted my post in yours, because from what you wrote, you did not even read mine.
What you said has nothing at all to do with what I wrote.
No matter what your convictions are, whether they come from science or religion,
if you are both acting the same way, doing the same behaviors, then from an external point of view, there is little to no difference between you.
edit on 3-12-2012 by Bluesma because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Kody27
From an external point of view? Like whose, God's? So you're saying that no matter what you believe in, God sees your actions and judges you by them and not your beliefs? I'll take that any day, if an entity such as God were real.