Originally posted by Grimpachi
reply to post by Pixiefyre
So would you say it was the nature of the society’s that made the difference in those areas the conviction of their faith? What do you think made
the difference in the overall attitude between those places and people?
That is something I can't give you a solid answer on. I don't know if it is because I grew up in a small farm town, or that people have really
changed as much as it seems to me, but despite the bad experiences after that awesome pastor I was lucky to know, it seems like people are becoming
more and more militant regarding religion rather than reaching out and using kindness and support to attempt to convert non-believers, it appears that
so many are more interested in forcing non-believers to act like believers so the believers won't have to confront anything that is discomforting,
which by the way is completely opposite from what Jesus taught his disciples in the New Testament (central to Christianity is the belief in the New
Testament). You can catch more flies with sugar than with vinegar.
When I was growing up it just wasn't an issue, what religion you followed or if you didn't. My folks were Christians but barely ever attended
church other than times when we sang as a family for the congregation or weddings and funerals. While they didn't preach or attend church regularly,
(they had a band btw) they would perform for charities and benefits, They were very involved in activities that directly helped other people. And
although we were not wealthy, if my father became aware that someone was short on funds for groceries or medicine he would go out and buy them some
food, or the medicine they needed. Although my father grew up in the south, he did not fit the stereotypical racist image attributed to southerners
during the civil rights era and race riots, he didn't care what color a persons skin was, whether they were rich or poor, he respected all people
equally and based on the same values, a person no matter how uneducated or menial the job they performed he respected, because they were doing it to
take care of their family
On the other hand I saw people in church every Sunday with their Sunday best on, making sure everyone saw them and heard them, then once the services
were over they looked down their noses at those poorer then them, they couldn't be bothered to offer to help someone change a tire or even offer
shoulder to cry on. So long as they attended Church every Sunday I guess they felt that they had fulfilled their duty to obtain a free pass to
I do think society play's it's part of course, I hate to say this but there is an element of self-righteousness .that appears rather wide spread.
I've seen people granted respect and gather significant numbers of followers because they claimed their motives were based on their Christian
beliefs, but when I confronted them with their methods going against the New Testament teachings, and even lying about incidences where supposed
Christians were arrested for "supposedly quietly praying" presenting them with the court documents showing the Christians own video documentation of
their actions showed them up in peoples faces telling them they were going to hell, drowning out the message of the group holding the event using
bullhorns and refusing to comply with police orders to relocate, verbally and physically, that didn't matter and at least 3 groups I know tied to one
another and sharing such articles, didn't care about the truth as I shared the same facts with them, they just wanted to use the elevated status or
self righteousness that many seem to grant those who claim faith in Christianity no matter what their actions, to force their will upon others.
Falsifying the facts so as to claim that religion was under attack, thus hitting Christians with an emotionally charged but false reason to join them.
(Christians should recall Jesus warnings regarding false prophets) People feel strong and just when they are part of a large group so yeah society
has a part in this.
I think growing up in a small farming town back in a time at least there, where people really were not so concerned about who didn't attend church or
proclaim faith in a specific religious belief system, they were more concerned about taking care of themselves and their families and in some cases,
many cases anyone else in need, promoted a much happier environment.
Wisdom from the past:
I have never been able to conceive how any rational being could propose happiness to himself from the exercise of power over others." --Thomas
Jefferson to A. L. C. Destutt de Tracy, 1811. ME 13:18
No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another, and this is all from which the laws ought to restrain him." --Thomas
Jefferson to Francis Gilmer, 1816. ME 15:24