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Originally posted by Prezbo369
Originally posted by undo
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okay, let me simplify this by asking you: what effect does the moral or ethical stance of a leader have on their decisions?
I would say it has a great effect, but morals and an ethical code born entirely from threats is mere subservience.
Originally posted by undo
Originally posted by Pixiefyre
reply to post by Grimpachi
Not really, because babies don't have the ability to hold onto the principle that there are no deities with ardor and faith.
so really the default is agnostic? since they don't even know they should be making a choice in the first place?
Originally posted by undo
Originally posted by Prezbo369
Originally posted by undo
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okay, let me simplify this by asking you: what effect does the moral or ethical stance of a leader have on their decisions?
I would say it has a great effect, but morals and an ethical code born entirely from threats is mere subservience.
can you explain that a bit better,
particularly the last part?
nah my cat will only eat cat food. refuses all other kinds of food including beef jerky, steak, ham, chicken, cooked, raw, dehydrated matters not. lol i had a hunter cat who ate what he killed. but a lot of times he just played with it till it died. same reason they sharpen their claws. natural order. the natural order is ruthless, that's all i'm pointing out.
Origin: < Greek ágnōst ( os ), variant of ágnōtos not known, incapable of being known ( a- a-6 + gnōtós known, adj. derivative from base of gignṓskein to know) + -ic, after gnostic; said to have been coined by T.H. Huxley in 1869
ag·nos·tic [ag-nos-tik] Show IPA noun
1. a person who holds that the existence of the ultimate cause, as God, and the essential nature of things are unknown and unknowable, or that human knowledge is limited to experience. Synonyms: disbeliever, nonbeliever, unbeliever; doubter, skeptic, secularist, empiricist; heathen, heretic, infidel, pagan.
2. a person who denies or doubts the possibility of ultimate knowledge in some area of study.
3. a person who holds neither of two opposing positions on a topic: Socrates was an agnostic on the subject of immortality.
adjective
4. of or pertaining to agnostics or agnosticism.
5. asserting the uncertainty of all claims to knowledge.
6. holding neither of two opposing positions: If you take an agnostic view of technology, then it becomes clear that your decisions to implement one solution or another should be driven by need.
Originally posted by Grimpachi
reply to post by Pixiefyre
I am curious what would you call a person that has never even heard of the concept of deity’s.
Originally posted by undo
ruthless. clearly this is an example of how lacking a moral reason to treat humans as sovereign beings, ends badly.
Originally posted by Grimpachi
Originally posted by undo
ruthless. clearly this is an example of how lacking a moral reason to treat humans as sovereign beings, ends badly.
How much do you want to bet one of those guys was religious that was doing that?
Originally posted by Grimpachi
reply to post by undo
Any that believes in a deity or deities. They are all equal in my eyes.
Originally posted by undo
Originally posted by Grimpachi
reply to post by undo
Any that believes in a deity or deities. They are all equal in my eyes.
so why should i obey the orders or laws or moral codes of society? you gotta think this thru, not because it might have some bearing on how i might behave in society but rather how a person who has his eyes on the big prize, might. to my mind, we have had an endless stream of sith lords running the planet, for thousands of years. we just managed to get lucky every so often and get a jedi instead. lol that's rare. and the reason? cause to put it in the infamous words of yoda, it's "quicker, easier, more seductive."