Originally posted by undo
but left out the acknowledgement of the you that is more than flesh.
Just to address this and (I think) your concerns around it -
I think 'the you that is more than flesh' is just an illusion that comes with being a self-reflecting being, and one that will end when we do.
I see it as an illusion I can rid myself of and be none the worse off for having done so. I don't feel like becoming a psycopath.
Obviously you don't think this, and I don't need to convince you or anything, but it doesn't follow that your life would be of any less worth if you
did think this.
Yet it is claimed so often by those who believe in a soul, that without it, we're reduced in some way, and we'll all just revert immediately to being
psycopaths because an idea we have got meaning from has gone.
But who's to say you won't find meaning in more immediate and real things?
When an illusion that gives comfort is lost, there is a process of adaptation and possible angst, but this goes away and we still manage to find joy
and meaning when we focus on what's real and in front of us.
I should also state that IMO mysticism (by which I mean some sort of personal relationship with the all) is still compatible with not believing in a
soul or essence of self that survives death. (Look to zen buddhism, 'being in the now', present-awareness exercises, even a good science documentary
that shows us how connected everything is, etc.)
So the scenario you fear coming to pass...
Originally posted by undo
if you are told and believe and thus ruled by someone who thinks the same way, your life is a meaningless series of electrical and chemical reactions,
you are then entirely expendable in the service of whoever has the biggest guns, the most money or the best snowjob.
rests on assumptions that are not part of the experience of those that are already on this side of belief.
Perhaps your fear is more based on a whole society that is FORCED to think this way, and I can't ever see that happening in a sane world* - I think
people should still be free to have any beliefs that give them meaning, just as long as they aren't harmful. We could lose some aspects of religion
that can encourage harm and still not lose the core purpose that gives comfort to the many.
In no way is atheism for everyone, and atheists that do think this are just probably going through some 'stuff'.
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*edit, okay communist countries I guess but I don't know if it's fair to say the main cause of the institutionalised sociopathy was due to atheism.
They were just hard-core fanatics which is not realy compatible with the healthy running of a society.
And Stalin really was a psychopath. I don't know what sort of things he believed in.
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