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Originally posted by stereologist
reply to post by badnickname
The point is that nothing in your list is extreme. Even recent saber rattling is nowhere near the threat it was during the Cold War. You even agree that these issues are well known. UV radiation is not extreme this year either.
Originally posted by stereologist
We havent witnessed a magnetic reversal yet, to know all its possible consequences.
The evidence in the fossil record is quite clear - magnetic reversals do not cause disasters or affect life on Earth.
When I pointed out that quacks and nuts have been predicting economic meltdown for decades all you could say is nothing. That sums up your position doesn't it? You have these strange ideas that something is happening and no reason for your stance. You odd claim that magnetic reversals are violent is simply ridiculous. The fossil record states otherwise. I ask where you go that idea and you essentially refused to name the idiot that came up with that story.
Originally posted by stereologist
How arrogant of you to claim humans are not affected. You studied this also?
I have read plenty of stuff suggesting otherwise, and you have not provided anything but your opinion again, claiming it as fact. Not that I care to debate it here anymore.
No amount of blustering on your part defends this phoney claim that humans are affected by magnetic fields. I pointed out situations in which it happens and you have no response.
So you made a list of fabrications and I called you on those falsehoods and you have nothing to support these stories. I am not surprised.
He also presented hospital data from 6000 pregnant women who had routine scans of their fetus's heart rates between 1995 and 2003. In 15% of the fetuses, periods of disturbances in their heart rates coincided with periods of high geomagnetic activity.
"The most plausible explanation for the association between geomagnetic activity and depression and suicide is that geomagnetic storms can desynchronise circadian rhythms and melatonin production," says Kelly Posner, a psychiatrist at Columbia University in the US.
Psychiatrists too have noticed a correlation between geomagnetic activity and suicide rates. A review of 13 years of South African data on suicides and magnetic storms in South African Psychiatry Review, vol. 6 p. 24) suggested a link.
In 1994, a study was published suggesting a 36.2% increase in the number of men admitted into hospital for depression in the second week after geomagnetic storms (British Journal of Psychiatry vol 164, p 403).
Saber rattling is much bigger than during the Cold War
Regarding UV radiation, I will just say that I experienced it this summer. I got deep sunburns on my forehead while working outside, in only 1h30min, in the early morning, before 9h. I never got such burns in my life, and I grew up in the sun. We had radio warnings later that day of extreme, record breaking UV levels. Now, excuse me, but you can go and explain to someone else that is all normal and a o k.
Your claim about quacks is irrelevant, just a provocation. I don't care about quacks. I care about Greece, Spain, Egypt, Sudan, Balkans, France, Italy, Izrael, USA... people are hungry and hopeless everywhere, because of an economic meltdown. Get it? 50% youth unemployment and 350.000 evictions in Spain ring any bells? It is already happening, and we didn't even get to the collapsing dolar, that less countries use for trade every day, and will soon fail and cause all sorts of not-fun things to happen.
a correlation like this does not necessarily mean there is a causal link
Originally posted by stereologist
reply to post by badnickname
I'm sorry that people are offended when they are shown to be making false statements. These false statements include:
1. Not understanding recent history including the Cold War
2. Not understanding that light and UV are NOT deflected by magnetic fields
3. Studies show no connection between life on Earth and magnetic reversals
4. Economic meltdowns have been declare imminent for decades by charlatans
5. The difference between fact and a suggestion from a study
6. Claiming magnetic reversals are violent
This is a short list.
The issue with magnetic fields and humans is that there is no evidence that there is an effect. These few comments you culled out of the literature do not demonstrate anything at all. Just as there is no connection between the phases of the Moon and people's actions, there is no connection between the magnetic field and people.
Originally posted by zedVSzardoz
The sun is not in one of its active states. The "galactic cloud" might be normal. We may have been going through these things since the dawn of our species and before the advent of the technology to see so.
Originally posted by zedVSzardoz
No other culture described this date. You say the Hopi mentioned this date?....Show me their calendar or how you guesstimated that they spoke about this year and this month.
The Hopi elders have long passed down their myths and prophecies from generation to generation via oral tradition. Additional details are extrapolated from their many ancient rock pictographs and tablets.
One such prophecy reveals: "When the Blue Star Kachina makes its appearance in the heavens, the Fifth World will emerge".
The Blue Star is seen as the starting herald of a Great Purification period beginning prior to 2012. This would last for 7 years in total. Interestingly comet Holmes 17P travels an orbit around the sun 7 years long. That fact makes for a rather ominous coincidence if you ask this researcher. That should mean the great purification runs through 24-10-2007 to 24-10-2014.
It is said that it will begin when the Saquasohuh (Blue Star) Kachina dances in the plaza and removes his mask. Which partly relates to a certain ceremonial dance involving a specific religious mask from what I understand. It is however also explained as an actual solar object. First it would be represented in dances and later seen in the sky by all peoples of the Earth.
The Hopi ceremonies will supposedly no longer be carried out once the "Kachina" removes his mask. This will be during a dance in the plaza that is held before uninitiated children. In all likelihood that may refer to one of the dances allowed to be viewed by white tourists. Although for a while there will be no more ceremonies, eventually the ‘Oraibi’ will be rejuvenated with new faith and new ceremonies, marking the start of a new cycle of life.
It is also held by many of the Hopi that WWIII may start at that time and would be initialised by the very people who first revealed the light. that is those people in the other ancient nations. Likely candidates are India, Persia, Egypt and China.
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Monday, November 26, 2007
A Blue Star in our Solar System Bigger than the Sun. Does this relate to prophecy?
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Ancient Hopi prophecy states, "When the Blue Star makes its appearance in the heavens, the Fifth World will emerge"
A spectacular explosion caused comet 17P/Holmes to increase in size and brightness on October 24. The comet is now a half a million times brighter than before the eruption began. It continues to expand and is now the largest single object in the Solar system, being bigger than the Sun. The eruption continues at a steady 0.5 km/sec (1100 mph) rate. Holmes is still visible to the naked eye as a fuzzy star anytime after dark, high in the northeast sky. It is faintly visible from cities, and from dark country locations is truly remarkable.
www.ifa.hawaii.edu...
This is an astounding story. When an object suddenly, unexpectedly, appears in our solar system THAT IS BIGGER THAN THE SUN, and can be seen with the naked eye, and is BLUE, it could be one of those heavenly events like the Star of Bethlehem that foretell coming events. I would also call your attention to the seven seals in Revelations (I'll write more about that when I have time.)
From the Hopi:
"The return of the Blue Star (also known as Nan ga sohu Katchina) will be the alarm clock that tells us of the new day and new way of life, a new world that is coming. This is where the changes will begin. They will start as fires that burn within us, and we will burn up with desires and conflict if we do not remember the original teachings, and return to the peaceful way of life.
"Not far behind the twins will come the Purifier the Red Katchina, who will bring the Day of Purification. On this day the Earth, her creatures and all life as we know it will change forever. There will be messengers that will precede this coming of the Purifier. They will leave messages to those on Earth who remember the old ways.
" The messages will be found written in the living stone, through the sacred grains, and even the waters. (these could be the crop circles which have been found even in ice) From the Purifier will issue forth a great Red Light. All things will change in their manner of being. Every living thing will be offered the opportunity to change from the largest to the smallest thing."
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What follows are two longer expositions of Hopi prophecy. Note that the events listed below were predicted many centuries ago and have been passed down. They were also all carved into Prophecy Rock at Hopi many, many years ago:
The Nine Signs of Hopi Prophecy
From White Feather, Bear Clan, Hopi Tribe
"These are the Signs that great destruction is here: The world shall rock to and fro. The white man will battle people in other lands -- those who possessed the first light of wisdom. There will be many columns of smoke and fire such as the white man has made in the deserts not far from here. Those who stay and live in the places of the Hopi shall be safe. Then there will be much to rebuild. And soon, very soon afterward, Pahana will return. He shall bring with him the dawn of the Fifth World. He shall plant the seeds of his wisdom in our hearts. Even now the seeds are being planted. These shall smooth the way to the Emergence into the Fifth World."
The Fourth World shall end soon, and the Fifth World will begin. This the elders everywhere know. The Signs over many years have been fulfilled, and so few are left.
First Sign: We were told of the coming of the white-skinned men, like Pahana, but not living like Pahana -- men who took the land that was not theirs and who struck their enemies with thunder. (Guns)
Second Sign: Our lands will see the coming of spinning wheels filled with voices. (Covered wagons)
Third Sign: A strange beast like a buffalo but with great long horns, will overrun the land in large numbers. (Longhorn cattle)
Fourth Sign: The land will be crossed by snakes of iron. (Railroad tracks)
Fifth Sign: The land shall be cris-crossed by a giant spider's web. (Power and telephone lines)
Sixth Sign: The land shall be cris-crossed with rivers of stone that make pictures in the sun. (Concrete roads and their mirage-producing effects.)
Seventh Sign: You will hear of the sea turning black, and many living things dying because of it. (Oil spills)
Eighth Sign: You will see many youth, who wear their hair long like our people, come and join the tribal nations, to learn our ways and wisdom. (Hippies)
Ninth and Last Sign: You will hear of a dwelling-place in the heavens, above the earth, that shall fall with a great crash. It will appear as a blue star. Very soon after this, the ceremonies of the Hopi people will cease.
It has been determined that in the period of solar activity increase (11-year cycles) there increase seismic and volcanic activities in the compression zone of Earth and at the same time there decreases the activity in the tension zones of Earth.
On the basis of the discovered stable 11-year and 22-year cyclicalities in the seismic and volcanic activities and their high correlation with solar activity there has been made the long-term forecast until 2018. The next maximum of seismic and volcanic activity with very high amplitude for the compression zones of Earth is forecasted for the period 2012-2015.
Dr.Prof. Elchin Khalilov (Azerbaijani: Elçin Xəlilov (born On April, 26th 1959, Baku, Azerbaijan) is a famous scientist in the sphere of geodynamics, seismology and tectonics.
Originally posted by zedVSzardoz
The earth's magnetic field fluctuates. Your own post shows that. It has before. So before we measured it, how do you think it affected us? Looks like life is still here.
Originally posted by zedVSzardoz
I wish people would use their heads instead of just "hoping" something happens. If people aren't scared enough to motivate you to curb your enthusiasm, then just think to how irresponsible it is to urge people that something will happen using nothing but a documented internet hoax perpetrated by dangerous cults.
Originally posted by zedVSzardoz
Do some research into the actual phenomena, you are good at that right? Then see for yourself what many reputable sources say originated the 2012 hoax. That would be the honest thing to do instead of looking for sites that support your idea, to which equally cool looking tables and graphs can be found showing how normal it all is.
Their calender not colander projects infinitely into the future... And the "Different" calenders you showed highlighted in red are all part of the same calender... It's like our days, weeks, months, years...
Originally posted by xxshadowfaxx
Why doesn't anyone ask the question....
WHY DOES DEC 21 MARK THE BEGINNING OF A NEW CYCLE?
People keep brushing off the fact that its just a new cycle that simply resets and thats it...
But why does it reset, why that day? Why would suddenly 5125 years later, the cycle simple just ends a new one begins.... why end the cycle at all? Why not just keep going til the next cycle?
This isn't a yearly calendar, its not signalling the begining of a new year, its signalling the beginning of something we don't understand.
So yes, the mayan calendar continues on thousands of years after 2012, that is not the argument here. The argument, is why does a cycle end on dec 21,,,, what is the purpose? What did they see to make it end there?
Originally posted by ElohimJD
Originally posted by fourthmeal
"Apocalypse" has more than than one meaning.
A great revealing.
Actually it has just the one meaning. The one you correctly disclosed.
It is the same word as "Revelation"... a great revealing.edit on 3-12-2012 by ElohimJD because: (no reason given)edit on 3-12-2012 by ElohimJD because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by zedVSzardoz
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If you have been here as long as you say then you would know the many times this crap comes up and the many times it is all just.....crap.
It is nonsense. So I have to disagree with you.
Have a good one.
Originally posted by stereologist
The Hopi prophecy is a modern invention. It appeared in the 1950s.
Originally posted by stereologist
You showed a photo of comet Holmes. Comet Holmes was a yellow comet, not blue.
...The Hopi word sakwa literally means "blue-green", or "turquoise." The photos of Comet Holmes clearly show this particular color. In Hopi cosmology this color symbolically represents the intercardinal direction of southwest. From the Hopi perspective of their villages, the San Francisco Peaks lie to the southwest. These are the sacred snowy mountains where the katsinam, or spirit messengers, live for half of the year. The Hopi term sakwi, by the way, means "worn out," "broken down," "ruined" or "destroyed". The Mayan word sak, on the other hand, means "white".
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On about November 8-9, 2007, the blue-colored gaseous tail of Comet 17P/Homes broke away from its greenish dense nucleus.
Originally posted by stereologist
The Earth's magnetic field does not protect us from the radiation of the Sun. Where do people get this idea? The magnetic field does not affect UV, a prime cause of skin cancer. What it does is to deflect the solar wind. That deflection protects the ozone layer.
Solar wind hammers the ozone layer
The Arctic ultraviolet shield took a battering from storms in 2004.
A stream of particles from the Sun, in combination with extreme weather conditions, caused an unprecedented thinning last year of the upper Arctic ozone layer.
Scientists have been puzzled by the chemical processes that destroyed up to 60% of ozone molecules in the lower mesosphere and upper stratosphere (the atmospheric layers that lie 30 to 40 kilometres above ground) in the first months of 2004. Reactions with chlorofluorocarbons (CFC), the compounds responsible for ozone depletion in the lower stratosphere, could not explain the decline in higher layers.
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