Evangelist Lives As Gay Man For 1 Year In Hopes Of Changing His Mind.

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posted on Dec, 4 2012 @ 05:51 PM
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Tenth, I wanted to quote this in it's entirety because you yourself have a preconceived belief that all Christians are bad because they hate you for the sole fact you are Gay. It's a non factor for me. I think its a sin, but so is fantasizing about another woman, so is porn, so is drinking, or smoking , wearing a mini skirt, getting a breast augmentation, fighting, ect


When in reality you guys are actually tons 'o' fun.

Who would've thought.



They don't hate gays, they just hate sinners, and basically everything that has to do with having fun, and other people having fun. (minus the fighting)




posted on Dec, 4 2012 @ 05:54 PM
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Its pretty simple to understand actually. I hate homosexual actions such as tongue kissing men on men, and ##snipped## To me that is sick and I hate it. I can hate and even despise those actions without hating the people. If they are generally good people who do not try to hurt others and are not malicious, then I have no reason to hate them as people. I would stand up for them if they were attacked, I would give them food and shelter if they needed, but I will never ever condone their homosexual actions. This is precisely how I can* hate homosexuality but not hate all homosexual people.

Two people being in a "loving relationship" is fine. I have a loving relationship with my male friends, but we are not homosexual. To me, it is people like you who have fooled themselves into thinking that abnormal sexual relations are ok and normal. Clearly they are abnormal. Trying to use an excuse of "there are wild animals which exhibit gay tendencies" is even further disgusting. Wild animals also kill one another on whatever whims. Wild animals are just that, "wild animals". Furthermore, any homosexual traits observed among animals is clearly extremely minimal. Some gays act as if there is some huge community of gay animals. That is laughable! LOL

Who said anything about "keeping a secret"? I don't have to keep it a secret that I myself as a man, when I see certain attractive women, I would most certainly enjoy a full night of wine, chocolate, candles, massage, kisses and romance. The physical things that my body lusts after are immoral, but I do not go around advertising that in the open as "ok", and "normal". It is normal to feel all sorts of urges, but we as humans have to fight them to a certain extent and preserve order. Homosexuality is very clearly in violation of nature. I challenge any homosexual to fast for just one week and pray, then see how they feel? Homosexuals who claim to be "christians" and follow the bible are the most amazing. The bible clearly states that homosexuality is an abomination. CLEARLY it states this lol. Trying to deny it or change it is simply twisting what is plain and simple to read and comprehend. Spiritual sickness.....the native Americans knew it for long, the older tribes of Africa knew it for long, many cultures in Europe have known it for long. Its twisted.
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posted on Dec, 4 2012 @ 05:59 PM
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Where does acceptance of Biblical laws equal hatred? That's unfit rhetoric coming from those who don't understand the messages of scripture.

I have struggled to internalize the old quote" If you don't have something nice to say then don't say anything at all" and adapted it to myself as :If I can't feel anything nice about something then I shall remain neutral.

The experience of being a homosexual is one that differs from my experiences in life. I am straight and it's what I know. I know this of my Hetero experience. I don't have to be attracted to anyone. I can consciously choose whether or not to feel attracted to even the prettiest woman in the room or not.

Based on my experience, it seems reasonable that other people, whether gay or straight, could choose to be sexually attracted to another person. I think the individuals get to choose how deeply to allow the attraction into thier being.

Following lessons learned in the Bible , I don't hate anyone. I genuinely WANT to love all people but it's hard in this world. And it's easiest, IMHO, to love others more similar to myself.

Ditto on the no gay Christians statement. As a Christian it is a defining characteristic that you be willing to "die to yourself" get over your ego. Your identity as a Christian should be paramount.

Black Christian
Asian Christian
American Christian
Gay Christian
Middle income Christian

See how bad that looks?! Being a Christian is all about being a human and establishing a relationship to the Creator by way of the lessons taught by Jesus, at the very least.
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posted on Dec, 4 2012 @ 06:02 PM
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Its pretty simple to understand actually. I hate homosexual actions such as tongue kissing men on men, and men penetrating one another.


Ooh, very vivid, you are turning me on. Any particular posish in mind, friend?

This is hilarious, must post mr Garisson reference.....

One advice, if you hate it, try not to think about it.

If that is hard for you, then maybe you don't really hate it at all, buddy.

I assume that you are never forced to watch or participate in these activities, so, we can establish that you are only confronted with these actions in your own mind and own visualisations. I am sure you must hate that.

Very sad though.
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posted on Dec, 4 2012 @ 06:03 PM
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Originally posted by tothetenthpower
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You cannot claim to not hate gay people when you refer to them as:


wrong, immoral, unnatural, disgusting, and outright depraved.


Those are not light hearted words and although they are your opinion and your belief, they are hateful in nature. You choose to judge ALL people who identify as homosexual by the terms you outlined above.

You claim that they have a spiritual sickness, yet claim not to have anything against gay people? That logic just doesn't hold up, I'm sorry.

Your argument seems to be religious in nature as well according to your text, although I could be mistaken. If that's the case, then again, you cannot claim that you hold no ill will against Homosexuals when you use the rhetoric in your post.

~Tenth


You are misquoting me. I said that homosexuality to me is the list of adjectives you just quoted. If you want to think and say I hate gay people as people, no one can force you to say or think otherwise. Still you are welcome to be my friend and I am your friend. I treat gay people as I treat all other people, and I help them the same as I help anyone else. I certainly do not "hate" gay people as people. I can hate someones actions without hating them. I hate my actions when I lose my temper and say sharp words to someone I love. I hate when I see a beautiful woman in public and think something sexual about her. I hate when I am selfish and ignore someone I love even if I didnt mean it. I hate all of those actions, but I do not hate myself.

I have noticed a definite pattern of homosexual people counter-labeling others who do not specifically agree with them. You label me full of hatred when you are in total error. I challenge you to go on a weeks fast and prayer in full earnestness. I challenge you to do this and pray to God asking him to show you definitively if homosexuality is right or wrong. A gay person has never done it and they never will. If they did, they will eat their feet=)

Stop labeling others simply because they do not share your views. Homosexuality is not race nor is it a color. It is a sexual preference.



posted on Dec, 4 2012 @ 06:06 PM
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I do not sit around thinking of homosexual actions. When I am watching a tv show which I would otherwise at least semi-enjoy, and I see two people talking about homosexual activities or engaging in it, then I consider that as being pushed upon me. I then of course switch to something else or quit watching it. This is a public forum where people discuss issues and share their opinions. If my opinions bother you so much, then don't read them. See how that works, "my friend"? =)



posted on Dec, 4 2012 @ 06:13 PM
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posted on Dec, 4 2012 @ 07:30 PM
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Originally posted by Jameliel

I have noticed a definite pattern of homosexual people counter-labeling others who do not specifically agree with them. You label me full of hatred when you are in total error. I challenge you to go on a weeks fast and prayer in full earnestness. I challenge you to do this and pray to God asking him to show you definitively if homosexuality is right or wrong. A gay person has never done it and they never will. If they did, they will eat their feet=)
Stop labeling others simply because they do not share your views. Homosexuality is not race nor is it a color. It is a sexual preference.


You think gay people have never prayed? Ya'll get mad when you are called ignorant but you make claims like this. This is the definition of ignorance. I don't even know what world you live in.

We were also told that homosexuals are only created by molestation or lacking a father. Regardless of your beliefs or feelings, anyone that thinks like this is lacking knowledge, on a really really basic level. When you debate or think on this level, it is not even worth the conversation. It is like trying to argue with someone that the world is flat in 2012 with internet and space ships. It's beyond imaginable.



posted on Dec, 4 2012 @ 08:33 PM
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Originally posted by XPowner
reply to post by CalebRight14
 




They don't hate gays, they just hate sinners, and basically everything that has to do with having fun, and other people having fun. (minus the fighting)



Christianity teaches that everyone is a sinner so your use of the word hate here is perplexing. I've heard many Christians say, "love the sinner not the sin." I think that is probably more in line with what they believe, at least the ones that don't pick and choose who to love. Remember just because one person who claims to be a Christian is an arse doesn't mean they all are. That would be stereotyping.
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posted on Dec, 4 2012 @ 11:02 PM
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Originally posted by sputniksteve

Originally posted by Jameliel

I have noticed a definite pattern of homosexual people counter-labeling others who do not specifically agree with them. You label me full of hatred when you are in total error. I challenge you to go on a weeks fast and prayer in full earnestness. I challenge you to do this and pray to God asking him to show you definitively if homosexuality is right or wrong. A gay person has never done it and they never will. If they did, they will eat their feet=)
Stop labeling others simply because they do not share your views. Homosexuality is not race nor is it a color. It is a sexual preference.


You think gay people have never prayed? Ya'll get mad when you are called ignorant but you make claims like this. This is the definition of ignorance. I don't even know what world you live in.

We were also told that homosexuals are only created by molestation or lacking a father. Regardless of your beliefs or feelings, anyone that thinks like this is lacking knowledge, on a really really basic level. When you debate or think on this level, it is not even worth the conversation. It is like trying to argue with someone that the world is flat in 2012 with internet and space ships. It's beyond imaginable.


Again I am being misquoted. Please show me where I said "no gay person has ever prayed". I said there has been no gay person who has fasted and prayed for a week. If there has been and they in someway documented it and or discussed it, I cannot find. I feel certain that if you are gay, and you do nothing but isolate yourself, focus on prayer and fasting while asking for Father's input, then you will realize the truth. It will be given to you. Until then I have nothing more to say in this thread. Bless you all homosexual, heterosexual or otherwise. May all of us no matter right or wrong in our views, be blessed to know the truth and live in peace=)



posted on Dec, 4 2012 @ 11:03 PM
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For an entire year, stopping short of actually being physical with a man, this Kurek lived and breathed the Gay community in Nashville


then ..

he's

not

gay ..
ETA: we all live with gays and lesbians .. how is he any different .. ? Why doesn't he just go on big brother ?
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posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 12:31 AM
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Doesn't matter.

Jesus was nailed by a group of guys, in the end...



E P I C, just saying ^^



posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 12:37 AM
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Just what really happened during that scourging anyway?



posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 03:15 AM
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Originally posted by sputniksteve
reply to post by tothetenthpower
 


Tenth, I think it is obvious they can do exactly that. They have done it for a few pages now.

That doesn't mean its logical or based on reality. But they have most certainly done it, and will continue to do it.



Let me be clear...I do not care one bit what people do in the bedroom, but they have no business carrying it into the classroom. In my view that is an abomination. It is clear that there are some individuals who feel they have a right to come into the classroom and moralize at children to accept them and all their activities, and there are liberals in education and as in the case of Gov Brown, politicians willing to force this stuff on kids. The fact that they deliberately want to challenge Christian parents and turn their children is a true example not of tolerance but of a need to force their opinions on others.
You have completely failed to understand this point, and even have condemned the minister because he is Christian, and judged his motive, which you clearly cannot possibly have known.
What would you prefer he do? Let me guess, he should run and shout from the housetops all the wonderful things of being gay and go into the classrooms and teach the wonders of it.....then you will not criticize him?



posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 05:42 AM
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Sheesh - ThirdEye, nowhere in any school anywhere, is anyone trying to teach kids that it's wonderful being gay. The "agenda" is to teach kids to treat all others who aren't hurting anyone with equality and respect. To understand that we can all contribute to our society, regardless of our differences. It doesn't matter what your religion is - separation of church and state, remember? Teaching kids there have been great people in history who were gay is like teaching kids there have been great people in history who were black, or who were women. I wouldn't have any problem with them teaching about great people in history who were Christian, as long as they also talk about great people in history who were Muslim, Jewish, atheist, etc.

Yeah, I know, you're all about only teaching math and science, but social studies is an important subject as well, and shouldn't be just up to the parents to teach. Teaching religious principles IS up to the parents, so any parent is free to teach their children intolerance if they so wish - there is no law stopping them (unfortunately). Then, it's up to the kid to decide which of the two paths he wants to take.



posted on Dec, 6 2012 @ 08:01 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
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you are OK with people being homosexual as long as they don't also practice the "lifestyle"?


No, it is more likely that someone does not want to have such things forced on them and their children through Statist policies such as this one:

Governor Jerry Brown of California just signed INTO LAW a bill which requires schools to teach a curriculum of “gay” history. All public institutions that want to receive federal funding must enthusiastically (yes, that’s mandated) educate the children- from kindergarten through 12th grade- about the men and women in American history who were gay or bisexual.

looktruenorth.com...


This agenda may have come about as a genuine desire to make it more acceptable to the general populace through force, or it may stem from a deeper agenda which comes from the Communist desire to undermine the family unit, which Marxists perceive is the basis for "bourgeois Capitalism".
Perhaps it is some of both.
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Perhaps it was more trying to educate children not to hate gay people since it is rampant all throughout your school life. Being homosexual is the largest taboo in school between children/teens by a long shot. I can not recall how many times I heard ignorant children calling a person a "fag", "gay", or "homo". They are by far the most popular insults going around these days. Even when something seems stupid or annoying they will say "that's so gay" or "how gay".

I find it much more likely that this new protocol in education is to try and combat what I mentioned rather then push some grand "communist/marxist agenda to undermine the family unit". How many people get gay bashed? Now how many get straight bashed? Kinda makes sense why they teach this stuff eh?

In any case, enough with this "communist agenda" crap. The soviet union is gone, and I think we need to move past the anti-communist rhetoric that was drilled into people's heads during the cold war. Now that was taught well in school, how carried away the fear and persecution of communists was during that time and how the government had people so paranoid they where "seeing communists in their soup". In fact, that would be the more prevalent agenda if I ever saw one. Go ahead, call me a shill but you know its true. The bigger threat is the tyrannical domination by the US during that time anyways. We just wanted to crush the one competing form of government to further our own agenda of eventually controlling the globe. I think the US did a masterful job of it if you ask me, ever hear of a planned practitioner? Nothing in that conflict was random, each event was another step toward imposing our draconian agenda on the world.



posted on Dec, 6 2012 @ 08:06 PM
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Originally posted by CalebRight14

I don't need your help to format quotes, thank you though.

I'm really not trying to be rude with you, I simply don't think you really read my post or understand where I'm coming from. I have nothing against homosexuals, I was just providing my point of view, as Tenth asked when he asked for thoughts. If anything I'd say I helped because I posted in his topic.
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Oh, quite sorry. I honestly thought you had trouble quoting that. I did not read your post because it was too intermingled with the post you where replying to that I didn't really want to try and decipher which statements were yours and which were the other posters.

I really was not trying to be snide or anything, so sorry if I came across that way.
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posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 01:07 PM
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