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Originally posted by tothetenthpower
As this man pointed out, before doing this he was convinced that all gays were HIV positive, liberal pedophiles.

Well there's the problem, right there. If that is what he thought then he was basing his opinion of gay people on an obnoxious ignorance. Not that he didn't agree with the lifestyle.

When will gay people start to stop mocking the church then, since the church is obviously full of cloaked pedophiles that have never seen a naked woman in their life.

Wait, another obnoxious ignorant opinion??

I'm not going for this live in another persons shoes, thing. I've seen it used in other areas and sure it makes all involved feel good inside. But it's always one sided. to show how 'bad' someone was before they 'changed' to see the light.

And it's Always one sided.

Originally posted by ~widowmaker~
Anthropologist have done this in the past as well and written books about their subjects. People didn't like it then either. IM not gay never will be, but this is complete bs to do to people who you are going to call "friends". Now if he went to the community and said hey peeps, IM completely straight and I think what you do is completely disgusting, but! id like to hang out with you for a year and try to get over my fears or at least understand this culture. IM pretty sure 90% would have said sure buddy come along more the merrier.

Exactly. If a heterosexual man were to say "All gays act like..." he'd be pounded into obscurity by the seething masses who'd froth at the bit to stop the hate.

But you can be an evangelical nut and pretend to be gay, and it's the best thing since wafers and wine.

How exactly does one act gay, if being gay is absolutely normal except for the naughty night times in bangkok?

I'm not sure you can - but then someone above posted 3 straight men who play gay characters. All campy, all over the top and all acting out a stereotype - so it must be possible.

If he'd been honest and done it sans 'undercover god botherer' mode, and they'd let him become involved in the gay scene and been honest with him, this would have been a lot better of a story.

Why oh Why cruel world do you continue to change the rules on us....

--oops forgot I split the post in 2. lol

At least my gay friends have no problem doing it. " hey a bunch of us having drinks later wanna come along, sure id love to sounds cool". Awesome to show up to a place called the "golden banana" for drinks BA$%^RDS!!! lol

Hahaha that's brilliant.

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
Here we have a brave and courageous man.


If a guy who was against you at one point, can turn his viewpoint around to this, I wonder what would happen if all extremists had a year in the life of those they hated.

Thoughts?

~Tenth

I fail to see why this makes the guy brave or courageous. I also am not overly fond of presenting this in a way that seems to be saying that all Christians are plagued with an attitude of self righteousness. According to the Bible, homosexuality is a sin, you can't really argue that point. You can either believe this is true, or not. But that is not the same as saying gay people are inherently less moral than anyone else. Everyone commits sins, daily. You cannot not sin, it it's in our nature, and there is just no getting around it. The Bible clearly states all have sinned. Simply because it specifically mentions homosexuality as a sin certainly doesn't make them more sinful or some such.

In your story, we have a man with a very limited view who realizes he may have drawn the wrong conclusion however long ago. Rather than thinking objectively and logically looking at his own shortcomings first, he spends a year doing something to give him an "inside view" and writes a book about it. I do doubt his book is all for enlightening individuals such as his former self. He knows his former self was not logical, and you can't really convince people one way or another if they don't think logically as they are emotion/faith driven.

I'd question his new found enlightenment, it may simply be the means to early retirement and or a life of leisure. That's a bit cynical I know, but I could be better convinced if he donated half of his earning to a group for gay marriage rights or something.

Despite me being unimpressed with this man or his actions, your last sentence is well said. But did this guy actually hate homosexuals? No I don't know that I would say that. His perhaps misguided desire was to do what he thought would save their souls. Hardly what you would expect from a hatemonger.

Note that the following is meant to engage those who believe being gay is somehow wrong, or a sin if religious. In no way are my comments directed toward any single person. I wanted to say this because I use the word "you" quite a bit. I didn't want the OP to get the wrong idea mainly, lol. So without further ado, here is my rant...

In this day and age, how can people be so ignorant? It even goes beyond ignorance, all the way to stupidity in my opinion. Being homosexual or heterosexual is NOT a choice. You cannot convert someone who is homosexual into a heterosexual, or vice-versa. That is just not how biology operates. The many examples of homosexuality in the animal kingdom also proves that man is not the only animal that engages in such behavior.

People who are straight are attracted to the opposite sex, and this occurs on a primal level, and there is absolutely nothing the person can do to change that primal reaction. The same is true for a gay person. They are attracted to the same sex with the same primal instinct, which does not leave them with a choice. Anyone who says that a gay person should simply engage in relations with the opposite sex, despite the fact that they are not attracted to them, is cruel. Imagine yourself engaging in relations with the same sex, and you will have an idea as to how gay people feel about heterosexuality. It is just gross to them, the same as it is for straight people.

So please stop the ignorance if you hate gay people, or think that they have any choice in the matter whatsoever. You should educate yourself on biology, genetics, instinct, etc, as then maybe you will grasp the scientific concept of attraction. And it is all based on science. And the religious people who look down on homosexuals, I have something to say to you as well.

You claim the Bible says man should not lie with man, but the Bible also says and eye for an eye. That does not mean that is what your religion teaches, as I'm assuming most are Christians. Too many people take the Bible out of context, because they read a simple verse or passage and think that is God's word, or the teachings of their religion. This is NOT the case by any means. How people are so ignorant is beyond me. Any person who claims to be a Christian, yet looks down on gay people, better stop and repent lest they go to hell. I am not saying this based on what I believe, but on what they themselves believe. See I know all about Christianity, and I am telling you that if you are Christian, you should not be judging ANYONE for ANY reason whatsoever, because that judgment will be visited back on you tenfold.

Jesus taught not only tolerance, but also said that the second most important commandment was to love your neighbor. In context, "neighbor" means every single person you interact with, read about, hear about, etc. Anyone and everyone. I am reminded of those people from the Westboro Baptist Church. Every single on of them, based on their own beliefs, will likely go to hell...The exact fate they are claiming others will suffer, as these church members judge them. They forget that Jesus talked about the speck of sawdust in the person's eye whom you are judging, while you yourself have an entire plank, or board, in your own eye.

Now I am not "preaching" because I think everyone will listen. In fact, this religious portion of this thread is meant to engage only those who claim to be Christian, yet who still judge gay people. They have no right to do so and still call themselves Christians, and in fact from a scientific point of view they have no right to judge gay people either. So whether you are religious or not, if you claim gay people are wrong or evil, YOU are the person who is wrong, and the one who is evil, because you are passing judgment on people based on a topic you know nothing about.

Originally posted by JiggyPotamus


In this day and age, how can people be so ignorant?

Ok, so we already know you have a biased, lets try to be fair from now on okay?

Originally posted by JiggyPotamus
It even goes beyond ignorance, all the way to stupidity in my opinion.

Ouch? We can be more civil no?

Being homosexual or heterosexual is NOT a choice. You cannot convert someone who is homosexual into a heterosexual, or vice-versa. That is just not how biology operates. The many examples of homosexuality in the animal kingdom also proves that man is not the only animal that engages in such behavior.

This is actually a decent argument, and I like how you brought animals in. I know we have all had a dog that humped another male dog My question is why the behavior happens, I dont have a good answer, but it may be practice, or a domination thing. Most rape experts say rape happens not for sex, but to show superiority

People who are straight are attracted to the opposite sex, and this occurs on a primal level, and there is absolutely nothing the person can do to change that primal reaction. The same is true for a gay person. They are attracted to the same sex with the same primal instinct, which does not leave them with a choice. Anyone who says that a gay person should simply engage in relations with the opposite sex, despite the fact that they are not attracted to them, is cruel. Imagine yourself engaging in relations with the same sex, and you will have an idea as to how gay people feel about heterosexuality. It is just gross to them, the same as it is for straight people.

This is something I can't talk to really I'd be dishonest if I did

So please stop the ignorance if you hate gay people, or think that they have any choice in the matter whatsoever. You should educate yourself on biology, genetics, instinct, etc, as then maybe you will grasp the scientific concept of attraction. And it is all based on science. And the religious people who look down on homosexuals, I have something to say to you as well.

You claim the Bible says man should not lie with man, but the Bible also says and eye for an eye. That does not mean that is what your religion teaches, as I'm assuming most are Christians. Too many people take the Bible out of context, because they read a simple verse or passage and think that is God's word, or the teachings of their religion. This is NOT the case by any means. How people are so ignorant is beyond me. Any person who claims to be a Christian, yet looks down on gay people, better stop and repent lest they go to hell. I am not saying this based on what I believe, but on what they themselves believe. See I know all about Christianity, and I am telling you that if you are Christian, you should not be judging ANYONE for ANY reason whatsoever, because that judgment will be visited back on you tenfold.

ok we obviously had a dissconnect

Jesus taught not only tolerance, but also said that the second most important commandment was to love your neighbor. In context, "neighbor" means every single person you interact with, read about, hear about, etc. Anyone and everyone. I am reminded of those people from the Westboro Baptist Church. Every single on of them, based on their own beliefs, will likely go to hell...The exact fate they are claiming others will suffer, as these church members judge them. They forget that Jesus talked about the speck of sawdust in the person's eye whom you are judging, while you yourself have an entire plank, or board, in your own eye.

Now I am not "preaching" because I think everyone will listen. In fact, this religious portion of this thread is meant to engage only those who claim to be Christian, yet who still judge gay people. They have no right to do so and still call themselves Christians, and in fact from a scientific point of view they have no right to judge gay people either. So whether you are religious or not, if you claim gay people are wrong or evil, YOU are the person who is wrong, and the one who is evil, because you are passing judgment on people based on a topic you know nothing about.

So, this guy was not a true evangelical , nor was he a true gay. I guess he could not make enough money preaching so he decided to do something he could write a book about.

With this guy not being true to Any convictions and a fraud, I would not listen to anything this scam artist has to say on any subject.