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Originally posted by Pardon?
Originally posted by bettwice33
Sure, I could show you the notebook I kept that tracked every drug I gave my kid during 130 rounds of chelation and you'd say I just made it up. Like I said, I don't have to prove anything. My son is better and that's all that matters. I'm smiling and so are most of the other parents who had the brains to chelate their kids and help them.
Not this old chestnut "I have the proof but if I showed you it you wouldn't believe it".
Give me some credit please.
Again, fine if you don't wish to prove anything to me but do it for all of the people who's lives have been changed by autism.
You owe it to them.
Originally posted by bettwice33
Originally posted by Pardon?
Originally posted by bettwice33
Did I mention the APO proteins here? They determine whether, or how much mercury a person is able to excrete. Those with the APO-E4 can not excrete any and it will remain in the brain forever, slowly killing brain cells as it drives you into Alzheimer's. For babies, the key is to get the mercury into them before they're a month old and develop blood brain barriers. But now, with less mercury, they added more aluminum which "eats" holes in the BBB , thus allowing mercury to get in there. Cell phones also cause damage to the BBB and may play a role in autism and lowered IQs, as well as causing tumors. I'm no expert on that mechanism but I have read several treatises on the subject, enough to know it's a genuine concern.
No association between APOE gene and autism.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...
Classical bad science on your part.
Essentially assuming since APOE is linked with Alzheimers then by default it should be linked with autism. Wrong again. They're two completely different mechanisms.
Leave it to NIH to do a study that never mentions how the APOs determine the ability to excrete mercury. I guess if they don't mention it, it doesn't exist. Harvard did the same thing a few years ago in a study on Alzheimer's. They made up some nonsense and claimed the APOs were related to the age of onset and said they didn't understand how they worked. BTW, autism and Alzheimer's are the exact same thing, mercury poisoning.
Originally posted by gambon
Originally posted by bettwice33
Originally posted by Pardon?
Originally posted by bettwice33
Did I mention the APO proteins here? They determine whether, or how much mercury a person is able to excrete. Those with the APO-E4 can not excrete any and it will remain in the brain forever, slowly killing brain cells as it drives you into Alzheimer's. For babies, the key is to get the mercury into them before they're a month old and develop blood brain barriers. But now, with less mercury, they added more aluminum which "eats" holes in the BBB , thus allowing mercury to get in there. Cell phones also cause damage to the BBB and may play a role in autism and lowered IQs, as well as causing tumors. I'm no expert on that mechanism but I have read several treatises on the subject, enough to know it's a genuine concern.
No association between APOE gene and autism.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...
Classical bad science on your part.
Essentially assuming since APOE is linked with Alzheimers then by default it should be linked with autism. Wrong again. They're two completely different mechanisms.
Leave it to NIH to do a study that never mentions how the APOs determine the ability to excrete mercury. I guess if they don't mention it, it doesn't exist. Harvard did the same thing a few years ago in a study on Alzheimer's. They made up some nonsense and claimed the APOs were related to the age of onset and said they didn't understand how they worked. BTW, autism and Alzheimer's are the exact same thing, mercury poisoning.
Do you have any evidence to back up your claim alzheimers is caused by mercury? I would love to see those
I would also like to see how you can "cure"Autism?
imer's disease
Alzheimer's disease is caused by parts of the brain wasting away (atrophy), which damages the structure of the brain and how it works.
It is not known exactly what causes this process to begin, but people with Alzheimer's disease have been found to have abnormal amounts of protein (amyloid plaques) and fibres (tau tangles) in the brain.
These reduce the effectiveness of healthy neurons (nerve cells that carry messages to and from the brain), gradually destroying them.
Over time, this damage spreads to other areas of the brain, such as the grey matter (responsible for processing thoughts) and the hippocampus (responsible for memory).
Risk factors
Although it is still unknown what causes the deterioration of brain cells, there are several factors that are known to affect the development of Alzheimer's disease. These are described in more detail below.
Age
Age is the greatest factor in the development of Alzheimer's disease. The likelihood of developing the condition doubles every five years after you reach 65 years of age. However, it is not just older people who are at risk of developing Alzheimer's disease.
Family history
Genetic factors contribute to the risk of developing Alzheimer’s disease. Though in most cases, if you have a close family member with the condition, your risk of developing it is only slightly increased.
However, in a few families, Alzheimer’s disease is caused by the inheritance of a single gene, and the risks are much greater. If several of your family members over the generations have developed dementia, it may be appropriate to seek genetic advice and counselling.
The Alzheimer's Society website has more information about genetics and dementia.
So not ONE mention of how mercury causes Alzhiemers disease , How would you chelation techniques help with genetic causes?edit on 6-12-2012 by gambon because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by bettwice33
Originally posted by gambon
Originally posted by bettwice33
Originally posted by Pardon?
Originally posted by bettwice33
Did I mention the APO proteins here? They determine whether, or how much mercury a person is able to excrete. Those with the APO-E4 can not excrete any and it will remain in the brain forever, slowly killing brain cells as it drives you into Alzheimer's. For babies, the key is to get the mercury into them before they're a month old and develop blood brain barriers. But now, with less mercury, they added more aluminum which "eats" holes in the BBB , thus allowing mercury to get in there. Cell phones also cause damage to the BBB and may play a role in autism and lowered IQs, as well as causing tumors. I'm no expert on that mechanism but I have read several treatises on the subject, enough to know it's a genuine concern.
No association between APOE gene and autism.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...
Classical bad science on your part.
Essentially assuming since APOE is linked with Alzheimers then by default it should be linked with autism. Wrong again. They're two completely different mechanisms.
Leave it to NIH to do a study that never mentions how the APOs determine the ability to excrete mercury. I guess if they don't mention it, it doesn't exist. Harvard did the same thing a few years ago in a study on Alzheimer's. They made up some nonsense and claimed the APOs were related to the age of onset and said they didn't understand how they worked. BTW, autism and Alzheimer's are the exact same thing, mercury poisoning.
Do you have any evidence to back up your claim alzheimers is caused by mercury? I would love to see those
I would also like to see how you can "cure"Autism?
imer's disease
Alzheimer's disease is caused by parts of the brain wasting away (atrophy), which damages the structure of the brain and how it works.
It is not known exactly what causes this process to begin, but people with Alzheimer's disease have been found to have abnormal amounts of protein (amyloid plaques) and fibres (tau tangles) in the brain.
These reduce the effectiveness of healthy neurons (nerve cells that carry messages to and from the brain), gradually destroying them.
Over time, this damage spreads to other areas of the brain, such as the grey matter (responsible for processing thoughts) and the hippocampus (responsible for memory).
Risk factors
Although it is still unknown what causes the deterioration of brain cells, there are several factors that are known to affect the development of Alzheimer's disease. These are described in more detail below.
Age
Age is the greatest factor in the development of Alzheimer's disease. The likelihood of developing the condition doubles every five years after you reach 65 years of age. However, it is not just older people who are at risk of developing Alzheimer's disease.
Family history
Genetic factors contribute to the risk of developing Alzheimer’s disease. Though in most cases, if you have a close family member with the condition, your risk of developing it is only slightly increased.
However, in a few families, Alzheimer’s disease is caused by the inheritance of a single gene, and the risks are much greater. If several of your family members over the generations have developed dementia, it may be appropriate to seek genetic advice and counselling.
The Alzheimer's Society website has more information about genetics and dementia.
So not ONE mention of how mercury causes Alzhiemers disease , How would you chelation techniques help with genetic causes?edit on 6-12-2012 by gambon because: (no reason given)
Yes, I have evidence. I read it in many places over the years. You can also do research and find the same things. I only present facts. This is not a court where evidence must be presented. It is a forum where conversation takes place. Some of us tell the truth in good faith while discussing a topic and then, others go to great pains to deny the truth.
Presenting quotes from liars who omit key facts is not conducive to helping anyone understand a subject. It also does not make one a victor in a debate. All it does is tell others that you have some reason to want to fool people into believing things that are not true.
Originally posted by bettwice33
Originally posted by Pardon?
Originally posted by bettwice33
Sure, I could show you the notebook I kept that tracked every drug I gave my kid during 130 rounds of chelation and you'd say I just made it up. Like I said, I don't have to prove anything. My son is better and that's all that matters. I'm smiling and so are most of the other parents who had the brains to chelate their kids and help them.
Not this old chestnut "I have the proof but if I showed you it you wouldn't believe it".
Give me some credit please.
Again, fine if you don't wish to prove anything to me but do it for all of the people who's lives have been changed by autism.
You owe it to them.
Please compare my words to your twisted restatement of my words. I'll bet you will claim there is no difference. I disseminate knowledge and you try to instill doubt, just like a lawyer trying to slide small bloody gloves onto large, swollen hands to fool a jury.
edit on 6-12-2012 by bettwice33 because: typo
Originally posted by gambon
Do you have any evidence to back up your claim alzheimers is caused by mercury? I would love to see those
phys.org...
“Mercury is clearly contributing to neurological problems, whose rate is increasing in parallel with rising levels of mercury,” said Deth, a professor of pharmacology in the Bouvé College of Health Sciences. “It seems that the two are tied together.” Mercury, one of the most toxic natural substances, is found in some species of food fish, in amalgam dental fillings and in energy-saving fluorescent light bulbs. Mercury emissions from coal-burning power plants enter the food chain. The heavy metal evaporates at room temperature, turns into a gas, enters the body, crosses the blood-brain barrier and gets trapped inside the brain, where it accumulates over time. Deth found that mercury exposure impairs cognitive function by reducing the efficacy of selenium, an antioxidant that helps keep the brain healthy by suppressing damaging chemical reactions in humans. Mercury binds to selenium, said Deth, promoting “oxidative stress” and decreasing the amount of available antioxidants. Nerves stop functioning normally, cognitive impairment sets in and cells die.
Originally posted by bettwice33
reply to post by gambon
"No its not a court its a discussion and with no evidence presented on your behalf , I fid it very very hard to believe a word you said.You Have not presented OR supported one fact in your argument.
Also how do you figure the facts I presented are from liars , or are you calling me a liar?
the facts I presented can be researched by anybody reading this , and they will be backed up 100 percent.I would suggest your "facts" (if you had presented any are lies , as I cannot se how it could effect anybody at a genetic level.."
Again you talk about evidence and arguments. This is a discussion of facts so those two things don't apply here.
Yes, authors who omit facts are liars. Those who deny facts are also liars. Only you know whether you are a liar or whether you have been misled by stupid and dishonest authors. I'm not here to argue with liars or their representatives. I'm here to teach. If you don't want to learn, you should go to law school where you can become a professional liar who prevents other liars from going to prison or from paying legitimate damages in lawsuits. If you truly don't understand any of the facts I presented, I'll be happy to answer genuine questions but I am not going to argue with lies or liars.
Originally posted by azrael36
This is something that we here at ATS and fellow travellers in the conspiracy world have been saying for years! The claim that multiple doses of vaccines 6-9 at a time can practically cause Autism overnight! The Thimerasol (mercury) in vaccines are causing the ever increasingly large numbers of cases of autism every year! The vaccines are required for children to attend public school, we are destroying our children! Wake Up People!!! Stop Thimerasol poisoning!
(visit the link for the full news article)
Originally posted by oper8zhin
Originally posted by Socrato
I knew something happened to me after Basic Training. Before Basic I felt alive and sharp as a whip, I could make jokes and say clever things easily but after those vaccines something happened. I am still really really smart but my brain seems to have a cloud or fog all the time now that I never had before. Words don't come so easily or always flow coherently. I must have gotten mild autism from the vaccines they force you to take in the Army.
Thats heavy-metal toxins in the brain. Get a hair sample or start searching for natural hebal products that remove it. Been there done that, IT WORKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Originally posted by deathproof
reply to post by froglette
Your in Seattle, right? Well Washington State has the highest amount of Opt out waivers. Yes, they will let children go to public school with waivers.
Washington has highest vaccine opt-out rate in country
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found that 6.2 percent of Washington kindergartners had a parent waiver for at least one required vaccine last year.
Originally from Texas. Doctors gave my son 2 extra shots when he was 3. Autism symptoms surfaced 2 weeks later. He is 5 now and we moved to Washington 2 years ago in 2010. Waivers don't matter now to us. It's already too late.
Originally posted by VeritasAequitas
reply to post by Pardon?
What if what you constitute as opinions are really facts. Also, why did you avoid the big and pertinent questions I posed. You knocked the "Procera AVH", without any kind of scientific data or evidence debunking it's ingredients, which are listed. Secondly I posted two links on the last page that discussed admitted links between vaccines and autism.
Originally posted by bettwice33
reply to post by GrimReaper86
Most of the things they vaccinate you for are over in a week. Autism is a lifetime. Most of the vaccines don't even work.
Originally posted by Pardon?
Originally posted by VeritasAequitas
reply to post by Pardon?
What if what you constitute as opinions are really facts. Also, why did you avoid the big and pertinent questions I posed. You knocked the "Procera AVH", without any kind of scientific data or evidence debunking it's ingredients, which are listed. Secondly I posted two links on the last page that discussed admitted links between vaccines and autism.
As I said earlier, the website contains very little in the form of clinical trial evidence but a whole bunch of testimonials. Huge red flag for me.
On digging a bit more I discovered that their "clinical trial" was conducted in house, has not been peer reviewed and has not been submitted to any scientific journals. Essentially it's an in-depth testimonial.
Again, reading around it seems like it doesn't really work either.
doesitreallywork.org...
The person who was the lead of the monkey study has now left Pittsburgh (in shame) as she had a conflict of interests...
leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk...
In the second link the boy had an underlying mitochondrial disorder so whilst it's entirely possible that the vaccine triggered the onset of his autism that's very different from saying that the jab CAUSED it. If the vaccine hadn't triggered it something else, like a cold or flu could have. Who's to know?
www.sciencedaily.com...