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posted on Dec, 3 2012 @ 04:10 PM
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Originally posted by EllaMarina
Forgive me, but I was under the impression that autism spectrum disorders were an inborn trait that can be inherited from one's parents. There is no damage; the brain is merely wired differently. I think people are confusing autism with mental retardation.


You have it partially right. There are versions of autism among the "spectrum" which manifest as genetic traits (i.e. asperger's syndrome is commonly handed down as a genetic trait through generations), however, many of the cases of autism, especially since the massive spike in the autism rate over the past few decades, have no previous family history, and do not manifest at birth, but suddenly during infancy/early toddler stages. These cases have some sort of trigger, probably coupled with genetic predisposition/weakness. Up for discussion is what that/those trigger(s) may be. Of course, it could be a combination of many factors.

Many forms of autism are very similar to symptoms of heavy metal poisoning. That doesn't mean that's what it is, but it acts very similar.




posted on Dec, 3 2012 @ 05:09 PM
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Calling me names does not win you any points. Denying the facts about chelation is childish. It has been the standard treatment for mercury poisoning since the 1940s. It is not the least bit dangerous as no person has ever been harmed by using ALA properly, dosing every three hours and with the right amount based on body weight. Of couirse, I can't speak for fools who may have used it improperly while ignoring cautions about using it while dental amalgams play a role in the equation.

I already proved that thimerosal caused the autism by citing history. That is a study in common sense that most of us can do without any "help" from alleged scientists.



posted on Dec, 3 2012 @ 06:22 PM
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Isn't that funny. I just heard science is discovering that mothers who have the flu during pregnancy is what causes autism. This leads me to believe - depending on who is ultimately correct - the other guy is definitely trying to kill you.There is no gray area where some mistakes can be made who ever is correct in this argument is the good guy and whoever is wrong is an evil entity with an evil agenda and they are trying deliberately to KILL YOU! (FOX News) The question that should naturally follow is, why?



posted on Dec, 3 2012 @ 06:42 PM
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For thousands, maybe millions of years, pregnant women have had the flu. How come none of them ever produced an autistic kid until 81 years ago, at exactly the same time thimerosal was added to vaccines?



posted on Dec, 3 2012 @ 07:09 PM
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Originally posted by azrael36


This is something that we here at ATS and fellow travellers in the conspiracy world have been saying for years! The claim that multiple doses of vaccines 6-9 at a time can practically cause Autism overnight! The Thimerasol (mercury) in vaccines are causing the ever increasingly large numbers of cases of autism every year! The vaccines are required for children to attend public school, we are destroying our children! Wake Up People!!! Stop Thimerasol poisoning!


(visit the link for the full news article)


You have to understand that part of the international agenda has been to aid feminism(to destroy men's loyalty to family and the nation state). Feminists in turn support the wholesale sabotage of boy's, young men and men.

It is for "practical" reasons, a way of "refreezing" the social changes feminist made and to prevent a relapse of traditionalism. By sabotaging so many boy's, it enables future women to advance with less competition. Hence why I view feminism as a hate movement and feel the gender war will only end after every single feminist the world over is in a prison cell but I digress as that will soon be a reality(you see loyalty to family and nation state is pretty much dead among younger men; the globalists have reached the point of diminishing returns. If they continue to support the feminist hate movement they risk the same level of alienation towards the idea of global unity as exists towards the nation state[I am talking at the emotional level below cogitative thought]. I predict snowball effect, where the the international systems will turn their backs on feminism while the nation states exponentially increase their support of the feminist hate movement. It will end with the ending of the nation state and the wide-scale arrest of feminists and their supporters, so I really don't care as those I despise will much sooner rather than later be in jail for the rest of their natural lives. It will be funny to see the panic of feminists as the nation states advance the "feminist" agenda beyond sanity and they scream in horror at the ride they are on but will never be allowed off, the perfect scapegoat of our time)



posted on Dec, 3 2012 @ 07:09 PM
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Originally posted by bettwice33
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For thousands, maybe millions of years, pregnant women have had the flu. How come none of them ever produced an autistic kid until 81 years ago, at exactly the same time thimerosal was added to vaccines?



A good question but if the first diagnoses was 81 years ago with thimerosal - shouldn't we expect that connection to have been made earlier? Shouldn't there have been a sudden onset of autism, in fact an autistic generation of children?

The flu changes over time and builds resistance against antibiotics and people immune systems so you can't always say, because we survived this particular illness in the past, we should survive it now.

Autism might have been present earlier than 1931 but misdiagnosed.

With the many changes in everything over the past 100 years couldn't autism be as likely linked to any one of those undiscovered causes?


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posted on Dec, 3 2012 @ 07:18 PM
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No. When we started curing autism by removing mercury, that was proof that mercury was the cause. It's like removing a bullet and watching a wound heal. You can determine that it was the bullet that caused the wound.



posted on Dec, 3 2012 @ 09:20 PM
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Please name me one prescription pill which doesn't cause side effects or shut your opinion hole about the risks of 'chelation'.



posted on Dec, 3 2012 @ 09:23 PM
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Either debunk the claimed effects of its ingredients directly or stop leading people astray.



posted on Dec, 3 2012 @ 09:29 PM
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Originally posted by VeritasAequitas
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Please name me one prescription pill which doesn't cause side effects or shut your opinion hole about the risks of 'chelation'.


Please, I'm an old man. I don't want a fight. Forgive me for opening my opinion hole? I just told the truth, all facts, no opinions. Is that OK?



posted on Dec, 3 2012 @ 09:39 PM
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I'm sorry, it's just ignorant for people to down the efficacy of alternative or natural remedies, when I have to listen to 6 minutes of side effects after advertising the newest prescription pill for whatever reason. If Doctors are so good and there methods are "right" please tell me why people with those same prescription pills are usually forced on them for life, and yet their disease never goes away and they still die...Forget removing the abscess and be done with it; let's just throw a bandaid on it for 30 years and see what kind of new infections will come.



posted on Dec, 3 2012 @ 10:07 PM
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Originally posted by azrael36

Just now on Fox News, Vaccines cause Autism *LIVE*




Just now while watching Fox News, The guest made the claim that vaccines are a large cause of autism, CDC can not deny it at congressional hearings
(visit the link for the full news article)


I have been following vaccines for many of years including the flu shot too. It is a known fact that if your body is not healthy mainly heart trouble if you take the flu vaccine you can die, I lost two friends of mine this way. With any vaccine you can read what is in it the nurse or whoever gives it too you has to supply you with ingredients, you will be very surprised what they put into vaccines. Also parents that are told the children need a vaccine to go to school well read the small print that says 'it's a choice'. A wavier may even be attached. Recommendation does not mean it's the law.



posted on Dec, 3 2012 @ 10:39 PM
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Still waiting on that link... No link to a credible source Hmmm..... I'm calling utter BS and to have the topic removed.



posted on Dec, 3 2012 @ 10:52 PM
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The idiotic part of their logic is: If Vaccines/Shots stop illnesses, and everyone in school has shots except the rebels, what are you bitching about? Nobody else can get sick except the people who didn't have shots; but let's just forget the real fact that following said logic of all kids have shots prior to school, that schools are one of the top places to pick up an infection, cold, sickness, etc. How is that logic working out for some of you.I swear the logic of debunkers flies in the face of pertinent things; almost makes you wonder if shills do exist.

Sensitive material is heavily ridiculed and the real stuff that makes you go "WTF PTB?!", loses all of their previous logic. Example; If a real UFO was photographed it would be skeptically filed away as dust on a lens or some equally "swamp gas" related mundane reply. Yet, when it comes to thing like this, they ignore points like the above entirely...



posted on Dec, 4 2012 @ 01:20 AM
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Originally posted by bettwice33
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Calling me names does not win you any points. Denying the facts about chelation is childish. It has been the standard treatment for mercury poisoning since the 1940s. It is not the least bit dangerous as no person has ever been harmed by using ALA properly, dosing every three hours and with the right amount based on body weight. Of couirse, I can't speak for fools who may have used it improperly while ignoring cautions about using it while dental amalgams play a role in the equation.

I already proved that thimerosal caused the autism by citing history. That is a study in common sense that most of us can do without any "help" from alleged scientists.


How have you "proved" thiomersal causes autism? You still haven't acknowledged that autism has been around since there have been humans.
Did I miss a post or something?


So, going back to the actual facts,...
Autism is not caused by mercury therefore using chelation to remove mercury will not and does cure autism.
Fact.

I'm still awaiting your proof.



posted on Dec, 4 2012 @ 01:24 AM
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Originally posted by VeritasAequitas
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I'm sorry, it's just ignorant for people to down the efficacy of alternative or natural remedies, when I have to listen to 6 minutes of side effects after advertising the newest prescription pill for whatever reason. If Doctors are so good and there methods are "right" please tell me why people with those same prescription pills are usually forced on them for life, and yet their disease never goes away and they still die...Forget removing the abscess and be done with it; let's just throw a bandaid on it for 30 years and see what kind of new infections will come.


I'll answer you but you've gone very off topic now.

There are plenty of natural and alternative therapies which are effective.
No-one on in this thread disputes this.

However there are far too many which rely on woo and essentially defraud the recipient into thinking they will be cured or at the very least helped.
It seems that the more severe the disease, the more prevalent the quackery.

At least the doctors will tell you of any side-effects (well, if you ask them!) the quacks won't.



posted on Dec, 4 2012 @ 01:28 AM
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Originally posted by bettwice33
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No. When we started curing autism by removing mercury, that was proof that mercury was the cause. It's like removing a bullet and watching a wound heal. You can determine that it was the bullet that caused the wound.


You've never cured autism.
Never, not once.
If you have you would be shouting it from the rooftops or at the very least have some documented proof.
But you haven't any proof as you haven't cured it.

It's simple, if you wish people to believe you then provide the evidence.
If you can't, stop trying to con people.
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posted on Dec, 4 2012 @ 01:32 AM
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Originally posted by VeritasAequitas
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Please name me one prescription pill which doesn't cause side effects or shut your opinion hole about the risks of 'chelation'.


Side-effects from prescription drugs happen.
However the prescription drugs are prescribed to treat certain illnesses as they've been shown to be effective.

Chelation for autism is a non-treatment. So having a potentially dangerous treatment which is KNOWN and PROVEN not to work for an illness is dangerous. And do these quacks tell you all the facts? No, they just want your dollar.

It's like having a blood-transfusion for baldness.
It doesn't work and the risks far outweigh the benefits (as similar to your "treatment" there are none).
Ergo it's dangerous.
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posted on Dec, 4 2012 @ 01:33 AM
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a big red flag for me was when I took my 4th child to get his shots and they wanted to know his insurance plan... obviously there was a different blend that was for the kids under state insurance and individual insurance... I chose not to get either at that point.



posted on Dec, 4 2012 @ 02:20 AM
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Originally posted by Socrato
I knew something happened to me after Basic Training. Before Basic I felt alive and sharp as a whip, I could make jokes and say clever things easily but after those vaccines something happened. I am still really really smart but my brain seems to have a cloud or fog all the time now that I never had before. Words don't come so easily or always flow coherently. I must have gotten mild autism from the vaccines they force you to take in the Army.

I've thought about that, all those vaccines. I've gotten a lot of shots from the Army as well, plenty of fluoridated water too I suppose. I do not base my intellect on either, although I do believe that they are very dangerous for babies. I may SEEM ignorant and insignificant to the world, but I'm not, and neither are you.
By the way, no amount of damage that comes from being vaccinated is suable, so smoke me drill sargent!
I may not be smart according to the world's standards, whatever they may be, but I am very glad that I am not the same person I was five years ago.
We may not always have our wits about us, but there will always be a difference in a person willing to learn and a person who just wants someone to do all their research for them in order for them to finally believe that the red flags are really there, and yes, they are red indeed.





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