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reply posted on 7-12-2012 @ 07:56 PM by VeritasAequitas

reply to post by Pardon?

Yeah, uh here is the Institute right here. I found it on a simple google search of brain science institute Swinburne

www.swinburne.edu.au...

reply posted on 8-12-2012 @ 01:24 AM by Pardon?

Originally posted by VeritasAequitas
reply to post by Pardon?

Yeah, uh here is the Institute right here. I found it on a simple google search of brain science institute Swinburne

www.swinburne.edu.au...

I know it was done there. I know you would find that using those meta tags.
Anywhere on that is it called or ever has been called the Brain Sciences Institute?
It's a relatively new faculty and has always been the BPsyC.

You don't think the makers of Procera are trying to link the study to a more prestigious site do you?
Never.

reply posted on 8-12-2012 @ 01:53 AM by Pardon?

Originally posted by bettwice33
Every time someone tries to tell the truth about how mercury in vaccines mangles babies' brains, some psychopathic liars show up to try to deny it. Meanwhile, more normal babies go from normal to zombie and cost taxpayers millions for caring for them for the rest of their lives.

Every autistic child since 1999 could have been avoided if not for the psychopathic liars. How many babies is that, worldwide who had their brains toasted just because a bunch of liars want to avoid having anyone learn the truth?

These are the questions I want to see the liars address, not some nonsense about which study sounds better then another study.

I believe we've already decided that it is impossible for you to tell the truth so essentially anything further you say has to be regarded as at best fabrication and at worst bare-faced lies.
You've used those words above, elsewhere. I know exactly who you are now, quack.

However, here are some questions I'd like answered...
Have all autistic children since 1999 been vaccinated? Proof please?
As stated earlier, there is plenty of proof of autism pre-vaccines. Pre-industrial revolution too. What's that all about then?
Surely autism doesn't have any genetic factors does it? Does it?
Surely autism can't be caused by pre-natal infections can it? Can it?

Ah I get it, it can only be caused by one thing, mercury because you can't chelate the others can you quack?
Not that chelating cures autism does it?

Similar to you fitting the bill for a shill, you also seem to match the description perfectly for a psychopath.

Psychopathy is a personality disorder that has been variously described as characterized by shallow emotions (in particular reduced fear), stress tolerance, lacking empathy, coldheartedness, egocentricity, superficial charm, manipulativeness, irresponsibility, impulsivity, criminality, antisocial behaviors such as lacking guilt and living a parasitic lifestyle.

I couldn't have put it better myself.

And do you know this pettiness could so easily been avoided had you provided us with proper tangible eveidence that your treatment cures autism.
I know that's moot though as your treatment has NEVER cured autism ergo the reason why there's no proof.

Plenty of ducking, diving, evading and downright lies though.

reply posted on 8-12-2012 @ 07:16 AM by bettwice33

edit on 8-12-2012 by bettwice33 because: typo

reply posted on 8-12-2012 @ 07:19 AM by bettwice33

Originally posted by Pardon?

Originally posted by bettwice33
Every time someone tries to tell the truth about how mercury in vaccines mangles babies' brains, some psychopathic liars show up to try to deny it. Meanwhile, more normal babies go from normal to zombie and cost taxpayers millions for caring for them for the rest of their lives.

Every autistic child since 1999 could have been avoided if not for the psychopathic liars. How many babies is that, worldwide who had their brains toasted just because a bunch of liars want to avoid having anyone learn the truth?

These are the questions I want to see the liars address, not some nonsense about which study sounds better then another study.

I believe we've already decided that it is impossible for you to tell the truth so essentially anything further you say has to be regarded as at best fabrication and at worst bare-faced lies.
You've used those words above, elsewhere. I know exactly who you are now, quack.

However, here are some questions I'd like answered...
Have all autistic children since 1999 been vaccinated? Proof please?
As stated earlier, there is plenty of proof of autism pre-vaccines. Pre-industrial revolution too. What's that all about then?
Surely autism doesn't have any genetic factors does it? Does it?
Surely autism can't be caused by pre-natal infections can it? Can it?

Ah I get it, it can only be caused by one thing, mercury because you can't chelate the others can you quack?
Not that chelating cures autism does it?

Similar to you fitting the bill for a shill, you also seem to match the description perfectly for a psychopath.

Psychopathy is a personality disorder that has been variously described as characterized by shallow emotions (in particular reduced fear), stress tolerance, lacking empathy, coldheartedness, egocentricity, superficial charm, manipulativeness, irresponsibility, impulsivity, criminality, antisocial behaviors such as lacking guilt and living a parasitic lifestyle.

I couldn't have put it better myself.

And do you know this pettiness could so easily been avoided had you provided us with proper tangible eveidence that your treatment cures autism.
I know that's moot though as your treatment has NEVER cured autism ergo the reason why there's no proof.

Plenty of ducking, diving, evading and downright lies though.

Why do you keep calling me a quack? I'm just a father of an autistic boy who shared my experiences in helping him climb out of the abyss of autism.

Yes, all autistic children have been vaccinated with mercury. Some of them received that vaccine through their mothers before they were born. Of course, some kids who act more like Ari Ne'eman than they act like a real autistic person have been diagnosed with Asperger's, a condition that is not autism. We have a plethora of paid liars who claim that kids like this have autism and that they were not vaccinated. There are lots of liars promoting propaganda in the wacky world of autism.

Nobody has ever found one case of anything that remotely resembles autism in anyone born before 1931. The pack of professional liars associated with blogs that you quote is so dishonest that they equate autism with genius and claim that Thomas Edison and Einstein were autistic. Kanner didn't think these guys were autistic. He recognized autism as something so bizarre that it could never be missed by anyone. But, we do have liars like Kevin Leitch who claims his weird aunt and uncle were autistic because these liars will claim any screwball is autistic to try to prove that something besides mercury causes autism.

There are a few genetic factors in cases that are similar to autism, like Rhetts and fragile x. However, as these conditions have their own names, that in itself tells us that these cases are not autism. Then we have the APO-E4 protein which is the primary genetic factor in autism. We also have cases of mitochondrial disorder that never manifest themselves until mercury is added to the equation. We saw this in the case of Hannah Poling when the court agreed in private that thimerosal had set off the mito problems but sealed the records so they wouldn't have to admit this for the record and open the door for paying out billions. More lies.

Yes, Rubella in pregnancy can cause brain damage that results in behaviors similar to autism. Measles can also cause brain swelling that disables kids. Similar and maybe diagnosed as autism but different. We can test for autism though by doing hair tests for deranged mineral transport to determine the presence of mercury. If our medical profession was honest, they would do this test for every autistic child. Since the test does yield some false negatives though, the best test for mercury poisoning misdiagnosed as autism is to do some chelation and see if behavior improves. If it does improve, we conclude that mercury was the cause. If not, we have to look elsewhere.

reply posted on 8-12-2012 @ 07:20 AM by GhostyMew

Originally posted by azrael36

Just now on Fox News,

Stopped reading there.

reply posted on 8-12-2012 @ 07:23 AM by bettwice33

If you know who I am, Pardon?, you also know that lots of people have cured their kids on the Autism Mercury Yahoo group. Why don't you admit this fact? Instead you keep lying, accuse me of lying and pretend that these cured children don't exist.

There, I answered your questions now explain why you came here to lie about autism.

reply posted on 8-12-2012 @ 08:32 AM by Tecumte

Autism - It's the elephant in the room, that some say is so large, and so encompassing, that no one in authority even wants to hear about it much less deal with it.

On November 29th, 2012 at 2:00 PM in the Rayburn Building in Washington DC the Congressional Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, chaired, now, by Darrell lssa, Republican from California, held another hearing on Autism - the first in ten years.

And, it was a farce.

I watched the whole thing on C-Span while it happened. I advise you to do the same.

Dan Olmstead, over at Age of Autism, wrote a good piece, although short, on the hearing called "Landmark Autism Hearing: "The Troops Have Landed on Normandy Beach." Jump over and read it right now.

Dan makes good points about some of the good things about the hearing. But Dan lives in the conflict. He runs things over at Age of Autism - and does a very good job of it. Let's look at the thing from over here on the periphery, where we can see the whole picture. When we do that something very ugly emerges.

Very ugly.

www.bolenreport.com...

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reply posted on 8-12-2012 @ 09:15 AM by VeritasAequitas

reply to post by Pardon?

www.university-directory.eu...

Why did you lie so much on this thread? Even the brainresearchlabs, link that I provided, admitted that the Procera ingredients were clinically tested; you said they weren't. Now who is lying? Did you knowing propagate information that was false in order to pass a silencing agenda? Yes you did. Did you knowingly propagate information you knew was false so as to muddy the waters? Yes you did... Now my only question left is how you have the balls, or maybe it is hypocrisy, to start accusing her of being a psychopath. And to rebut this last lie or twist of the facts that you made in attempt to sweep your little lying under the rug.

They aren't trying to link to a more prestigious center or site; the name changed you god damned tool. Gtfo shill.

reply posted on 8-12-2012 @ 10:25 AM by gambon

Originally posted by bettwice33
reply to post by Pardon?

No, none of the sites you linked to are the truth. All of them are opinions from degenerates who write untrue nonsense about vaccines and autism.

BTW, I did give you all of the evidence you demanded, and more. I educated you to the truth about autism and you went digging in the Pharma Propaganda Manual to try to find stupid arguments to deny what I taught you. Go back and reread everything I wrote in this thread and you will gain a true understanding of autism.

So all these sites are telling lies are they.Funny how the ones which disagree with you(the majority) are all liars in your book , Even those which refer to peer reviewed papers... ,but your "facts" are all the complete truth ,even when doubts are raised over there valididty?

reply posted on 8-12-2012 @ 10:38 AM by bettwice33

Originally posted by gambon

Originally posted by bettwice33
reply to post by Pardon?

No, none of the sites you linked to are the truth. All of them are opinions from degenerates who write untrue nonsense about vaccines and autism.

BTW, I did give you all of the evidence you demanded, and more. I educated you to the truth about autism and you went digging in the Pharma Propaganda Manual to try to find stupid arguments to deny what I taught you. Go back and reread everything I wrote in this thread and you will gain a true understanding of autism.

So all these sites are telling lies are they.Funny how the ones which disagree with you(the majority) are all liars in your book , Even those which refer to peer reviewed papers... ,but your "facts" are all the complete truth ,even when doubts are raised over there valididty?

Nobody disagrees with me. The liars know that everything I say is true. That's why they go to great lengths to present their lies. They don't want anyone to know the truth. That's why a group called the Autism Hub issued an order to all of their bloggers not to even mention my name about 5 or 6 years ago. They knew that all of their 50 or so bloggers were liars and that I was blowing up all of their lies. They couldn't present those lies if I was around to refute all of them so they had hide from me.

reply posted on 8-12-2012 @ 11:03 AM by MysterX

Originally posted by syrinx high priest
I read recently the age of the father is also a top theory

What do you mean?

Older = more autism or younger = more autism?

First time i'd ever heard of age of a father being a factor.

I was 39 when i fathered my first child...he's top of his class, and his younger brother (fathered when i was 41) is set to follow his example...no pre-school or nursery time either.

Not a hint of mental or physical problems in either of them...absolutely NO vaccines whatsoever...most of their classmates have had all the 3 in 1 and 5 in 1 injections pumped into them however, and a lot of them have problems reading, writing and with basic numeracy.

Could be just chance of course, or my wife and i are better at encouraging our kids and make learning fun and interesting for them, than perhaps many other parent are or do..although from what i've seen at their school, the mums and dads seem to be just as interested in their kid's education as we are, so that leaves vaccinations and other #e being pumped into them as tiny, fairly fragile babies as the gorilla in the room, so to speak.

The stats from numerous prestigious medical journals show, unequivocally, that the majority of viruses Western civilisation routinely vaccinate against were in fact, in very sharp decline before vaccination became the norm.

Now of course, after the introduction of mass vaccination programmes, they are nowhere near in decline...while making obscene fortunes for the shareholders in most pharma companies...i suspect the steep upwards curve of graph line measuring of incidence of infection of a given virus, closely tracks the profit graph line of pharma outfits following widespread vaccinations.

Some vaccines are required, for example people travelling to countries where there are nasty tropical viruses and so on, and a few others of course...but the huge bulk of everything that get's pumped into a baby's arm are completely unnecessary and not only do more harm than good to the child, but also have the potential to create mutagenic strains of viruses that were once fairly benign and close to going extinct before being revived with the vaccination programmes.

This isn't conjecture or 'theory'...it's absolute fact, and checkable fact too...which is nice.

Ultimately, the parents of a child should do that which they think is in the child's best interests, and if a government told me i HAD to follow orders and pump poison into my kids...that would be enough to make me leave that country immediately.

You gotta do what you gotta do folks...it's your children, and it's their future at risk, but in the end, after as much research as you can stand, it's YOUR choice as parents.

reply posted on 8-12-2012 @ 02:09 PM by Tecumte

reply to post by MysterX

From my link above, and this is important and regards the OP:

This wasn't the hearing that was supposed to happen. Not at all. If you are properly sensing my anger and outrage within the words and paragraphs of this article, you are about to find out why.

This was supposed to be a hearing examining the work of Brian Hooker PhD, pulling in members of the Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) to answer hard questions about how they covered up the fact that Thimerosal (mercury) in vaccines causes Autism, ADD/ADHD, Asthma, and other neurological issues (one in six US children).

As we all know Hooker's work, examining certain CDC employee's criminal activity, is definitive (see table of articles to the right). This hearing was supposed to be a STRONG follow-up to Hooker's work, where this committee would DEMAND, and if necessary, SUBPOENA all internal government memos regarding Hooker's concerns.

And, Hooker has TWO levels of concerns: (1) He wanted to see all of the communications concerning the so-called studies that the CDC claims prove NO RELATIONSHIP between mercury and Autism, and (2) All information about Poul Thorsen and his involvement in these studies.

Hooker's second area of concern, the Poul Thorsen involvement, may bring even more important information to light, showing the depth of corruption at the CDC. Why?

Because, in the original Poul Thorsen scandal, Aarhaus University in Denmark was complaining that TWO MILLION dollars was stolen from the money (eight million dollars) that was supposed to fund the original "Danish Study," the one that the CDC claims proves that there is no relationship between mercury in vaccines and Autism. Poul Thorsen was criminally indicted in Atlanta, Georgia federal court for stealing ONE MILLION dollars.

So what happened to the other million?

www.bolenreport.com...

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reply posted on 9-12-2012 @ 06:14 AM by Pardon?

Originally posted by bettwice33

Originally posted by gambon

Originally posted by bettwice33
reply to post by Pardon?

No, none of the sites you linked to are the truth. All of them are opinions from degenerates who write untrue nonsense about vaccines and autism.

BTW, I did give you all of the evidence you demanded, and more. I educated you to the truth about autism and you went digging in the Pharma Propaganda Manual to try to find stupid arguments to deny what I taught you. Go back and reread everything I wrote in this thread and you will gain a true understanding of autism.

So all these sites are telling lies are they.Funny how the ones which disagree with you(the majority) are all liars in your book , Even those which refer to peer reviewed papers... ,but your "facts" are all the complete truth ,even when doubts are raised over there valididty?

Nobody disagrees with me. The liars know that everything I say is true. That's why they go to great lengths to present their lies. They don't want anyone to know the truth. That's why a group called the Autism Hub issued an order to all of their bloggers not to even mention my name about 5 or 6 years ago. They knew that all of their 50 or so bloggers were liars and that I was blowing up all of their lies. They couldn't present those lies if I was around to refute all of them so they had hide from me.

That no-one disagrees with you is the biggest lie you've told yet.
You've lied so much even you believe yourself now.
You are living in your own delusional world but the problem is that your delusion is harming others.

Pack it in and get a proper job.

reply posted on 9-12-2012 @ 11:40 AM by AngryCymraeg

reply to post by bettwice33

So in other words everyone's out to get you then? That was quite a litany of accusations.

reply posted on 9-12-2012 @ 12:18 PM by bettwice33

Originally posted by AngryCymraeg
reply to post by bettwice33

So in other words everyone's out to get you then? That was quite a litany of accusations.

No, nobody's out to get me specifically. There are lots of liars out to deny the truth, wherever it comes from.

reply posted on 10-12-2012 @ 01:06 AM by gambon

reply to post by bettwice33

Bettwice33 I CERTAINLY disagree with you !!

reply posted on 10-12-2012 @ 06:57 AM by bettwice33

Originally posted by gambon
reply to post by bettwice33

Bettwice33 I CERTAINLY disagree with you !!

If you ask me genuine questions, you will agree with me. I have all the answers.

reply posted on 10-12-2012 @ 08:23 AM by Pardon?

Originally posted by bettwice33

Originally posted by gambon
reply to post by bettwice33

Bettwice33 I CERTAINLY disagree with you !!

If you ask me genuine questions, you will agree with me. I have all the answers.

Wow.
You've done yourself no favours with that post at all!

Are you attempting to be some sort of svengali as well as a quack now?

reply posted on 10-12-2012 @ 08:32 AM by Bob Sholtz

i am unsure that vaccines cause autism. i'm on the spectrum myself, and vaccines are administered around the same time the first symptoms start showing up, so it could be a case of association vs. causation.

just because two things coincide chronologically does not mean that they are a cause and effect pair. autism is passed on genetically, that much is clear, though the precise mechanisms that cause it are completely unknown and only theories exist.

it is folly to say that vaccines cause autism when the base neurological causes of autism aren't even known.

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