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Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by jiggerj
Maybe believing in something that is unsubstantiated teaches us to hope for the future? Or are you unwilling to do that?
Originally posted by awake1234
Thanks for caring to share your views.
God is not religious and all scientist are not scientific.
That is all that needs said...
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Originally posted by jiggerj
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by jiggerj
Maybe believing in something that is unsubstantiated teaches us to hope for the future? Or are you unwilling to do that?
Am I unwilling to place my faith in the unknowable, unprovable, and unsubstantiated? Umm, yeah.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by LittleByLittle
It is Christians who create division with their spiritual views. Either you believe in "God" or you do not. Either you know Jesus or you do not. Either you worship or you do not. And then you find every possible way to convince us that we really do believe in your "God" - and if you are denied, then you declare that we are condemned, and that we will all see one day when your "God" comes to judge us and cast us into hell! Right after telling us how much he loves us!
Oh, what a sad little story.
Originally posted by rickymouse
reply to post by jiggerj
I believe that all life is tied together and this tie I call god. This makes god a communication or energy of some sort. There is too much structure for there not to be something other than what people say science says. I read a lot of scientific articles. I do not see many articles that go against the grain of religion. I see most scientists believe in a higher power also although the higher power is not always the same god. I see Atheists using science to discredit god when that information was not created to discredit peoples belief. Using evidence for the wrong purpose is what man seems to do best nowadays.
Wouldn't it be nice to know what the trees know or the animals and fish know? Is this communication proven not to exist? No it has not been proven. Yes they have tried to tell us we lost the abilities of the animals to sense things. Another lie, we have been conditioned to ignore this communication and to only believe in certain people. This is not something I blindly do, I do not automatically believe in someone just because they have credentials or are supposed to be experts. I have more brains than that, I am no fool.
I see no problem with believing in god. It isn't god who starts wars, it is man who starts wars so his perception of things can be forced on others. I can't identify the USA with Christianity because most of what goes on in this country would be frowned on by Jesus. I do believe in Jesus, he was the Messiah. He said on the cross, "Why has though forsaken me" to god, so how can he be god. The spirit left him on that cross. It was a spirit that shared his body I suppose. That is what I conclude of this anyway, I suppose this will bring on the wrath of some people.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by jiggerj
Ah! Then in your mind, there IS no future. How does that feel?
I don't know why I continue to do this. I think I'm a masochist, continually subjecting myself to a website that denies ignorance yet spawns it like a cesspool of superstitious dogma. If there is one place you are GUARANTEED to find ignorance, it is here. Pretty ironic, actually.
Ugh. Sorry for the rant. It's just that I'm surrounded by people who have been alive less than a hundred years but think they have answers that no scientist in over 300 years has been able to answer for a certainty. I would love to know how these people know everything, because I would take what it was that convinced them and smash it into a hundred pieces.
We don't know anything. It's that simple. We're a teenage species, so NATURALLY we're sure of everything, and yet look at us. We KNOW there's a god, we KNOW there's NOT a god, we know EVERYTHING and yet we're treating this planet like crap.
You know, we're not an intelligent species. We're just clever enough to dodge death and blow each other up like monkeys with sticks of dynamite. So let's stop with the ego games, shall we? Let's spend less time acting like we know what we're doing and more time trying to figure it out. Maybe, by the time the next century rolls around (assuming we're not dead) we'll actually know.
Until then, we're still in school. Let's act like it.
Originally posted by Hillarie
How does understanding how things work contradict the idea of a creator? Could someone explain that to me?
Originally posted by Angle
reply to post by jiggerj
BS, how did he prove?
Originally posted by Aesir26
reply to post by jiggerj
jiggerj wrote: " In this 33 minute clip he proves that the belief in a god and religion is a detriment to increasing our knowledge."
Hmm....the number 33...."increasing our knowledge"..."god a detriment"...
Very clever, indeed, Master Craftsman, but I think I'll stand by Jesus.
So you mean Richard Dawkins with his denial of all religion/supernatural is right. . Lol he has no clue at all, since he has not experianced any of it. He is like a person who is telling a pilot that the pilot cannot fly the plane since the airplanes do not exist in his view of the world.
What he was illustrating, in his talking points, was the erroneous religious belief that God created the universe especially for humans, and that humans are the highest pinnacle of his creation, through intelligent design.
I think what he's trying to say here is that the universe is quite the hostile place as a playground for humanity. Maybe there are places this superior creation of God's shouldn't go, even though we are the apple of his eye.
Only in the mind of scientist is there room for criticism for the "intelligent" design and maintenance of the human body?
See a doctor to fix a faulty design?
Human are virtually the only animal that can choke to death on water. My mother died choking on a pill, true story.
You didn't comment on the best of his arguments against intelligent design! Why did a loving God put an entertainment center and a sewage system between our legs, sharing the same pathways?
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by LittleByLittle
So you mean Richard Dawkins with his denial of all religion/supernatural is right. . Lol he has no clue at all, since he has not experianced any of it. He is like a person who is telling a pilot that the pilot cannot fly the plane since the airplanes do not exist in his view of the world.
I find it amusing that when I oppose an idea, I stand for the complete opposite. I make it a point to linger in the middle, because extremes are never completely correct. I balance on the edge of the coin, instead of clinging to one side or the other.
There is nothing supernatural, only subjectively extranatural occurrences. Woods that we have not explored yet, bridges which gleam in the distance but remain beyond the tread of our feet for the moment. Mountain peaks we have not yet scaled, dreams we have not yet grasped. Entire worlds we have only heard of, but not glimpsed because we have not yet reached their shores. That's all. If it seems supernatural, that's only because we still have a lot to learn about this world.
Everyone seems to forget that.edit on 3-12-2012 by AfterInfinity because: (no reason given)