posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 10:30 AM
Originally posted by smithjustinb
Originally posted by Itisnowagain
Originally posted by arpgme
reply to post by Itisnowagain
So if a person isn't here "now' that means that they do not exist?
If a 'person' came to presence (now) it would die. Presence is your absence. The 'person' would be raptured, the 'person' would be no more and
the kingdom would be revealed as oneness is realized.
Then there are no persons, no anythings.
Don't get me wrong, it is the same and quite ordinary. Really ordinary but wonderful.
edit on 4-12-2012 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)
This is where you always lose me. You say that there are no things, and yet clearly there are.
Hence, the difference between metaphysics and philosophy. In philosophy, there's no requirement to deal with the reality that sits at your feet,
wagging its tail and waiting to be taken out to do its business. Reality is like family - unrehearsed and unexpected. That's the charm of it, though.
It wins you over by being its own version of wonderful, and not what you think wonderful should be. In that sense, reality demands of you, and after a
while, you become personally invested in it if you fulfill that demand to the best of your ability.
Philosophy is existential masturbation. No demand, no investment. Philosophy is a 20 minute porn clip that won't be there when you need someone to
talk to. It's fascinating, but in your deepest levels of ongoing perception, you know that it's not real. Just clever intellectual manipulations,
and not much else.
The idea that nothing exist beyond the quantum of NOW can be philosophically defended. That's no heroic accomplishment. That said, when the debate
has been carried to its limits, everyone still has to deal with the ongoing ramifications that exist as a result of every other instant of NOW that's
preceded the instant of NOW that each person exists within from quantum to quantum. The body ages, the mind recalls, the dust piles up, the rust
continues its relentless feeding.
Philosophy doesn't answer questions. It discovers questions that need to be asked.