Power (Freedom) vs Acceptance - Being in the "Now" or breaking one's will!?

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posted on Dec, 2 2012 @ 04:47 AM
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Originally posted by AthlonSavage
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The past is memories which are stored as visual feelings. You did have a real past and proof of this is the storage of your feelings and experiences of the past.


But the thoughts and memories can only be accessed presently. The thoughts and memories that appear presently are not appearing anywhere else but in 'your' mind presently. No one else has the exact memory of a past event - it is wriiten and believed by you. In your head you are writting a book that you think is all about you - it can only be written because you believe you are a person in time.
The book written in your head is a heavy book (the person you think you are) that does not need carrying.

The person feels weighed down with such heavy load to carry.
At some point you might notice that in this moment you have nothing to carry.

But i understand that 'your' thoughts and 'your' memories will not be dropped because without them you would be nothing.
Being nothing is not 'something' that humans want to be.
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posted on Dec, 2 2012 @ 05:03 AM
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Originally posted by AthlonSavage
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The past is memories which are stored as visual feelings. You did have a real past and proof of this is the storage of your feelings and experiences of the past.


Vision happens now and feelings happen now. Seeing is happening and feeling is happening presently.
Can you actually show me a storage container (where you believe memories are stored) with anything in it?
Can you, as you sit there right now, find this 'storage container' you speak of?

Or is there just nothing with thoughts arising?
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posted on Dec, 2 2012 @ 05:13 AM
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Originally posted by AthlonSavage

What drove you itsnowagain to form your ideas of the the now happening,


Do you believe that now is not happening?
Try your hardest to stop now from happening.


"Well, my friends," Canute said, "it seems I do not have quite so much power as you would have me believe. Perhaps you have learned something today. Perhaps now you will remember there is only one King who is all-powerful, and it is he who rules the sea, and holds the ocean in the hollow of his hand. I suggest you reserve your praises for him."

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posted on Dec, 2 2012 @ 05:55 AM
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Each memory feelings inside of you had an origin and which is not the now. If its not the now then it was the past simple as that.



posted on Dec, 2 2012 @ 05:56 AM
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Originally posted by AthlonSavage
reply to post by Itisnowagain
 


Each memory feelings inside of you had an origin and which is not the now. If its not the now then it was the past simple as that.


Appearances can only appear presently.
They appear presently on the screen of awareness. It is as simple as that.
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posted on Dec, 2 2012 @ 06:03 AM
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Appearances can only appear presently.
They appear presently on the screen of awareness. It is as simple as that.


I never denied that. What i said was your memories and feelings has an original origin which isnt now.



posted on Dec, 2 2012 @ 06:07 AM
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Everything arises now.



posted on Dec, 2 2012 @ 06:11 AM
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Originally posted by Itisnowagain
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Everything arises now.


I never denied that. What i said was your memories and feelings has an original origin which isnt now.



posted on Dec, 2 2012 @ 06:12 AM
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Originally posted by AthlonSavage


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Appearances can only appear presently.
They appear presently on the screen of awareness. It is as simple as that.


I never denied that. What i said was your memories and feelings has an original origin which isnt now.


This is what is believed. You believe you are caused by the past.
I know i am not caused by the past.



posted on Dec, 2 2012 @ 06:14 AM
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This is what is believed. You believe you are caused by the past.
I know i am not caused by the past.


Your wrong its not my belief, its how i feel. Tts a knowing not based on conceptulaization but feeling.



posted on Dec, 2 2012 @ 06:18 AM
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Originally posted by AthlonSavage
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This is what is believed. You believe you are caused by the past.
I know i am not caused by the past.


Your wrong its not my belief, its how i feel. Tts a knowing not based on conceptulaization but feeling.


Ok it is how you feel.
It is energetic. It doesn't feel very good - it feels awful to be lost in thought, lost in time. It feels as though you are stretched, stressed, fragmented, divided and conflicted. I know, i have done the human thing, i used to think i was a person in time. I suffered greatly until presence was realized.
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posted on Dec, 2 2012 @ 06:23 AM
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Ok it is how you feel.
It is energetic. It doesn't feel very good - it feels awful to be lost in thought, lost in time. It feels as though you are stretched, stressed, fragmented, divided and conflicted. I know, i have done the human thing.

At times i can be one or more of them things. And you are going to escape from this?



posted on Dec, 2 2012 @ 06:28 AM
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Originally posted by AthlonSavage
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Ok it is how you feel.
It is energetic. It doesn't feel very good - it feels awful to be lost in thought, lost in time. It feels as though you are stretched, stressed, fragmented, divided and conflicted. I know, i have done the human thing.

At times i can be one or more of them things. And you are going to escape from this?


This is the human condition.
I have escaped the human condition by seeing what the human condition is.



posted on Dec, 2 2012 @ 06:29 AM
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This is the human condition.
I have escaped the human condition by seeing what the human condition is.


You are a product of the human condition. You couldnt escape that is you wanted to.



posted on Dec, 2 2012 @ 06:31 AM
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Originally posted by AthlonSavage
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This is the human condition.
I have escaped the human condition by seeing what the human condition is.


You are a product of the human condition. You couldnt escape that is you wanted to.


Again, this is what you believe.

I am not a product. You may think you are a product - that you have been produced, that you have been made. I know i have not been made.
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posted on Dec, 2 2012 @ 06:33 AM
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Again, this is what you believe.

I am not a product. You may think you are a product - that you have been produced, that you have been made, i know i have not been made.


i dont believe it, i observe it. Your way is an reaction to the experiences you have had in life.



posted on Dec, 2 2012 @ 06:41 AM
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Originally posted by AthlonSavage
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Again, this is what you believe.

I am not a product. You may think you are a product - that you have been produced, that you have been made, i know i have not been made.


i dont believe it, i observe it. Your way is an reaction to the experiences you have had in life.


Only what is here now can be observed.
There is 'response' to what is happening presently.
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posted on Dec, 2 2012 @ 06:43 AM
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Only what is here now can be observed.
I 'respond' to what is happening presently.


Yes you have the mindset of the survivor.



posted on Dec, 2 2012 @ 06:47 AM
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Originally posted by AthlonSavage
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Only what is here now can be observed.
I 'respond' to what is happening presently.


Yes you have the mindset of the survivor.


I don't have to survive.
I am (presence) forever and always.
What i am can never be destroyed.
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posted on Dec, 2 2012 @ 06:51 AM
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I don't have to survive.
I am (presence) forever and always.
What i am can never be destroyed.


If you breath air, eat food and require shelter over yourhead you do need to survive, this is inherent to you as a physical creature.





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