Ok, who can prove magic exists?

And if they were known, as I have made them known previous, I wouldn't have gotten the abundance of good information that I have here.

This thread isn't at all misleading. I still don't believe in magic, and still, no one has convinced me. That, my thin-skinned friend, is the ultimate point.

Have a cookie.

My husband told me what your ture intentions were with this thread.....I was honestly trying to help you understand. Delta, as far as I am concerned...you have lost all credibility with me and I too will no longer bother with your posts

[edit on 10/25/2004 by LadyV]

Here is the problem proving magic.


person 1 with gift or skill does some act...

person 1 with gift or skill repeats said act...

now for to prove something real then any other researcher will try it with some one else

person 2 with no skill or gift tryes person 1 act... fails

so person 1 must be faking it some how magic is disproved.


also magic is not so stactic as throwing a ball from one person to another. with little practice you can hit the target with little problem. But with magic its more like first toss though air hits the target, but the second toss might be like tossing though water if you don't know that its going to be water then you are going to miss... As you can see even if it works once it may not work agine.

Originally posted by DeltaChaos
We need truth now more than at any time in our past. The amount of deceit that we have propogated and allowed to this point is causing us to question everything we see and hear, to include ourselves.

There is no way for a person in this world to know where they stand because no one knows what's true, yet we all profess to. That only causes us to fight each other, and despise each other. We hate each other on the basis that our lies are the truth, and your truths are lies.

[edit on 23-10-2004 by DeltaChaos]

This is a truth I can subscribe to. A very well formulated explanation to what is wrong with the world today. *bow*

What do you concentrate on, or how do you concentrate? Is it like visualization?

Yes. If I want it to come on, I visualize the light being "transferred" from a lit light. If I want it to go off, I concentrate on an area of darkness for visualization. (such as shadows, etc. and visualize it enveloping the light)

Streetlights, I'd say one in ten, turn off when I drive by them. It seems to happen when I'm deep in thought, but if I 'try' to be deep in thought in an attempt to turn it of, it never works. My aunt, when she was younger, would baby sit me with her son. She would pick me up early in the morning when the sun was still down, and we all remember that entire strings of 7 or 8 streetlights would go off in a row as we drove past.

I know it was her, and not me, because my family always used to talk about how strange it was that all the streetlights would turn off with her in their car.

Do you know anything more about this?

It's called SLI (Street Light Interference), or SLIDER often. I've got several postings about it already. One of the most informative is Lady V's recent one on "Electric People" so I'd suggest a quick ATS search for that thread. I posted both a link to a CNN article about it, as well as some other references in the thread. Most SLI is simply as you stated, something that occurs when in proximity to a SLIder. However, the difference I'm stating, is the CONSCIOUS manipulation of lights going on or off. Even passive SLI though, is often magnified when the person is in an emotional state, and thus also supports a connection between the mental and the physical.

Gazrok,

I don't mean to bring this off topic but I want everyone to please visit

web.tampabay.rr.com...


I am very impressed with your art. You are truely a gifted individual. I have read about other people that have this SLI phenomena occur who also have artistic talents.

An example would be in this link.
www.amasci.com...

Jeez - I assumed that everyone on the Internet knew this already - but I will Spell it out for you again:

Magic = Stage Illusion - Cute Stuff - i.e. Pulling a Rabbit out of a Hat

MagicK = The Power to Change ones Reality or Perceived Environment using ones
Will & Mind!

There are many different types of Magic"K" - Ritual Magick, Sex Magick
Math Magick, Symbolic Magick, Money Magick, Quabalistic Magick & so on!

Overall Creativity & Productivity are also Definitely Magick!

Is this enough for you DeltaChaos? Don�t ask me how to perform this � you have to be an Adept!


[edit on 25-10-2004 by Seraphim_Serpente]

Magic = Stage Illusion - Cute Stuff - i.e. Pulling a Rabbit out of a Hat

MagicK = The Power to Change ones Reality or Perceived Environment using ones
Will & Mind!

You'd be surprised at how many Wiccans, etc. absolutely hate the "Magick" spelling from Llewellyn books... It's a nice attempt to differentiate, but just ends up sounding campy...

evecasino, thanks for the plug, hehe... Feel free to U2U if you have any questions/comments about the pieces. I hope to have some more up soon, but maybe not till after the holidays...(as some may be gifts)

[edit on 25-10-2004 by Gazrok]

A writ of sorts. A writ based on fact and supposed fact.

I was thinking that some daemon lawyer from the pit had served you a writ of habeas corpus. Hate it when that happens. But alas, I find in post further down it is just a book.. And daemon lawyers most probably only occur in Buffy spin-offs. Better go back on the meds.. This consentual reality stuff is a little demanding...

Experimental method for proving that magick exists:

1) Solict information under false pretence - whilst providing some sort of a link

Originally posted by uss_eldridge1943
I was thinking that some daemon lawyer from the pit had served you a writ of habeas corpus. Hate it when that happens.

Sometimes I feel like some daemon lawyer is feeding it to me. It's strange. I have had ideas for years that I just started reading about less than a year ago.

Originally posted by DeltaChaos
Sorry riley, totally missed your post...

no probs

What this reminds me of is the theory that all time, past, present, and future exist all in one infinite moment, and that some people have more of an ability to see beyond our perception of 'now'.

I have no idea how this might work, or even if the theory holds any water. There's no evidence of factual data on it. Your car situation could have been a gut feeling, too, based on what you knew about that car, and other pieces of the situation.

Yeah- I've considered time displacement- either I wasn't in tune with it or it was out of tune with me.. that put against the plausability theory.. I didn't care about it haven't rust before and for me to somehow take in all the varables subconciously and suddenly have the right anwer just in the nick of time.. I'd either have to have the mathematic abiltiy of a super computer or be like the sevant out of the cube.

But then, gut feeling could be another word for premonition, I guess.

..hmm.. probably an advanced version of a gut feeling. My theory is that telepathy and preminitions are a primal sense.. like animals being able to sense eathquakes.

[edit on 25-10-2004 by riley]

Sorry Gazrok - I believe that it was one Mr. Aleister Crowley that Popularized the Spelling of MagicK with a K - he Defined it too!

As a Matter of fact according to A.C.:

"Every Intentional act is a Magickal Act"!

How is that for you Delta Chaos - simple yet effective!

[edit on 25-10-2004 by Seraphim_Serpente]

[edit on 25-10-2004 by Seraphim_Serpente]

Originally posted by uss_eldridge1943
2) Irritate some people who possibly believe, can do God only knows what, and were genuinely trying to be helpful and answer your question.

Yeah, I bet they're whipping up some grand hex right now. Probably not. They were genuinely trying to cling to belief beyond belief of a magic that they know they don't possess. Those who were genuinely trying to help, and did, were people like Paul_Richard. The thing is, Paul_Richard is more real than any of these other poseurs, but do I fear what magic PR may cast on me? No. Because it doesn't work that way.

i agree with the previous posts about uri gellar passing scientific tests, i have seen this mentioned over the years.

to pick up on what others mentioned about the police etc using mediums to solve cases, this is also something that has happened/happens on many occasions!

a few years ago there was a program on uk channel3 which looked at trying to prove the existance of the paranormal, they had a top scientist on the program who told about studies he had done with a scientific team on mediums, he told how to prove there powers the mediums had the groups of spirits that work through the mediums pass a diamond (or similar gem stone) between the scientists closed together hands!, so when the diamond was magicked by the spirits into the scientists empty closed shut hands he would open his hand and there would be the diamond, he could close his hands and it would then appear in the scientists hands opposite etc.

it would seem we just dont always hear about these events as they are not widely reported.


[edit on 26-10-2004 by ThePunisher]

[edit on 26-10-2004 by ThePunisher]

- DeltaChaos
Yeah, I bet they're whipping up some grand hex right now.

Nah.. hex is to easy, how about an invokation?

To prove magick does exist one might try:

-:The grand rite - From an ancient Gr�co-Egyptian manuscript in the British Museum

The primary appellant should first pray in a special way.

Some say this prayer should invoke text called comment
And this text is blue.
But this is a great mystery, that reaches not just above, but really above.

-:The conjuration of the spirits

Thee I invoke the moderator, he who sits on high, whose glass/mug is never empty.
They who through the power of coffee, tea or insert beverage here, maintains the silence of the patient,
They who watches.
I invoke thee, and ask the to bring me, as thy humble servant, The super-moderator

Whose wise words have guided the faithful through the desert of ignorance.
Of whom our people tell tales of, and type in hushed voices
Whose skilful moniker instils awe and respect
Whose sword slaughters all in the lands of the ignorant.
Whose wisdom is beyond all understanding
I invoke they and ask thee to bring me to the knowledge of the Simon Gray.

Whose website rarely 404's
Whose land is said to amuse and inform - beyond all dreams of mere man,
Keeper of the copyrights most sacred
Keeper of the land of blog
Keeper of the server bandwidth bills
Protector of the faithful against the agents of disinfo, and destroyer of trolls from the nether-regions of the earth.
He who is not a super-spook working for any _known_ agency, and is not, most probably, a reptilian from Dulce.

Hear my words so that though you strength might be given to the people

-: The first comment (err.. complaint) :-

As it is written in the first verse of the sacred T&C's
- You will not post any material that is knowingly false, misleading, or inaccurate.

Lo many men have seen these words and become afeared.
What is truth? some ask, what is misleading, what is knowing?
Did not the inventor of internet content - Hassan Al Sabbah say:
For what you read in my land "All things are true even false things"
Many believed - But this was heresy - and they were banished to the land called BTS.
Threads were locked and deleted, members where banned and there was wailing and gnashing of teeth
Oh great bringers of truth who witness this grand rite,
Is not failure to initially disclose ulterior motives misleading and inaccurate?
Does it not dishearten the people who hear each others words?
Does it give strength to the enemies of the people, and strength the words of those saying false words.
May disinfo agents be damned for a dog.
And the people did cry out to the heavens
"If it is wrong to post misleading information how more wrong is it to start a misleading thread?"
And a voice belched out from the heavens
"The path of a circle through a square, squared, more times than this is wrong"
"Oh and stop looking for a message from me hidden in this number by converting to base 11"
"Even if Carl Sagan did write it, it is just a novel and does not contain a transcendental mystery . M'Kay"
And the machines who worshipped SETI did mourn at these words.
So as it was and is, so mote it be.

-:The second comment (err.. complaint) :-

As it is written in the seven verse of the sacred T&C's

By using this message board, you agree to the following:-
You will not copy material from these discussion forums, to post on other websites, quote in offline research, or any other publication without my (Simon Gray) permission.

Lo, these are powerful words to protect those who work in these lands,
And to protect the land, as from the land comes book deals, and media exposure, and one day a segment on Fox News
There were righteous ones who saw the words of the faithful being profaned
Intent described to use for purposes unfair, other than they were intended for
Some smirked, some wept, some both wept and smirked.
Is it not written in the law of the people that statements of intent to break the sacred law
Are as serious as breaking the law
For does it not encourage others to sin in greater ways
Is not as it is written the intent to evil in ones heart the greatest sin.
And the people in oldern times cried out to the heavens "Is it worse to steal thy neighbours words or covert their (small donkey-like creature)"
And the heavens thundered and shook, "Uh-uh no way, I aint even gonna go there" and this was a great mystery of the ancients
Interpreter of the words of Maat, the sacred TCs, come though forth and pass thy judgement.
So as it was and is, so mote it be.

-:The final adjunct - appendum to the appendix of the vestigial organ:-


Oh spirits conjured, through the blindfolded god of justice,
May thou have text to speech so though might hear
The words of thy web
Reduce the calculus of disorder, the delta of chaos, to its integration - zero
Because zero respect has been shown and thy laws have been cast asunder and people have be disparaged and called posers - which also slightly breaches thy second holy law.
So as it was and is, so mote it be.


Edited - (Small donkey like creature) - the orginal got turned into a ?



[edit on 26/10/04 by uss_eldridge1943]

Just your friendly neighborhood Mod here: Just a remined to stay on topic and no hexing is allowed here on ATS.

FredT

Jeepers that was quick..

The aim of the hypothesis:

a) Visible conjuration of moderator
b) Visible conjuration of super-moderator
c) Conjuration of simon gray (visible expected to be too difficult)
d) Result of invokation.

Appearance of moderator via not intentionally going off topic or outside the rules in any posts.

Difficult [est]: moderate
Points: maximum + speed bonus

Proof that magic exists currently @ 25%

Originally posted by uss_eldridge1943
Jeepers that was quick..

The aim of the hypothesis:

a) Visible conjuration of moderator
b) Visible conjuration of super-moderator
c) Conjuration of simon gray (visible expected to be too difficult)
d) Result of invokation.

Appearance of moderator via not intentionally going off topic or outside the rules in any posts.

Difficult [est]: moderate
Points: maximum + speed bonus

Proof that magic exists currently @ 25%

This is funny. The confluence of science and magic!

If I read correctly, you think I posted innacurate, false or misleading information? Where? And I posted matierial that does not belong to me where?

Originally posted by Seraphim_Serpente
As a Matter of fact according to A.C.:

"Every Intentional act is a Magickal Act"!

How is that for you Delta Chaos - simple yet effective!

A matter of fact according to Alestier Crowley is a matter of opinion to most everone else. This post isn't about opinion.

And yes, it is very simplistic to say that every intentional act is a Magickal act. So I guess if I intentionally make a cheese sandwich, or intentionally balance my checkbook, or intentionally play a G chord, that's all magick, right?

So tell me. Does magic work better when you intentionally misspell it?

What a sham Alestier Crowley was to make a statement like that. And what a shame that people make a deep connection to such poor logic.

[edit on 26-10-2004 by DeltaChaos]

Well A.C's Definition of Magick is as follows:

"Magick is the Science and Art of causing Change to occur in Conformity with Will."

You asked if: "So I guess if I intentionally make a cheese sandwich, or intentionally balance my checkbook, or intentionally play a G chord, that's all magick, right?"

Well yes it is - because that is what you Desired - To have a Full Stomach & be Financially Secure. To MAKE IT ACTUALLY HAPPEN you used your Mind & Will Power to make that Instrument called your Body perform these actions & lo & Behold = You Caused Change (of you Reality & Environment) to Occur in Conformity with your Will. If that was not the case then you would still be Hungry & "Financially UnBalanced" - is somebody ELSE going to feed you & Balance that Check Book FOR YOU? So yes very simply you performed Magick. A.C. was NOT about simplicity however - please read

"MAGICK IN THEORY AND PRACTICE" =

www.sacred-texts.com...

in it�s Entirety before Commenting on the Validity of A.C's work.

Now if my Magickal aim was to Earn a Million Dollars - well is would not be easy - but it IS entirely Possible - Only if I apply my Will to that Goal however - if not then I will just continue to be a Poor Sap Goober like most of Humanity!!!


[edit on 26-10-2004 by Seraphim_Serpente]