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posted on Nov, 30 2012 @ 12:54 PM
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The problem is that they are there period. No one in the region wants them there.

It's like having a very loud and obnoxious person at a party. No one wants them there except the big bouncer-looking guy (USA). Everyone else has to put up with the obnoxious behavior and it's litterally killing the mood of the party.

The fact that this party-goer knows no one can do anything about it just emboldens them to act like more of a jackhole.

They can have their synagogues and religious sites, but why on Earth do they get to have their very own country?

I grew up in a really neat house...it's been about 20 years since I've lived there. I think I'll arm myself and take the house back, and shove the people living there into a crappy shed out back. I mean I was born in that house, it's my birthright!!

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posted on Nov, 30 2012 @ 12:56 PM
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The problem with palestinian supporters is that they REFUSED to accept truths and reality, and are the problem the world face today with the middle east situation.

1. Israel were not the ones to initiate wars upon the palestinian arabs when it proclaimed independence by a UN weary of the throatcutting by both sides within the BRITISH RULED land of palestine - a province of the brutal and corrupted Islamic Ottoman empire won by the Brits in their quest to seize the Suez, to partition the 2 communities with borders of their own to live in peace.


2. Israel had long recognised the 2 state solution by UN in 1948, but thanks to 'arab brothers' whom were only more keen to gain territory and sovereignity in arab lands, fooled the palestinians by misusing religion to evacuate from the West Bank and Gaza, which those 'arab brothers' had promised that the jews would be throwned back into the sea.

It never happened despite 3 wars and numerous inhuman terrorist attacks for decades by the 'arab brothers'. Instead, they were beaten back and would have lost even their own lands if Israel was greedy.


3. Those lands that the 'arab brothers' had lost was by right of conquest - Israel's terroritories paid by the thousands of men who fought and evicted the genocidal 'arab brothers' fools.

Yet today, Israel stands ready to return those israeli blood soaked lands known derisively as 'occupied terrorities' by the palestinians and ignorant fools worldwide, to the palestinian not only for self rule, but for independence. Not for money, but just one thing - right for Israeli to exist in peace.


4. Unfortunately, elements within the palestinian people and worldwide are hell bent on the extermination of the jews, as if historical evidences of such efforts were not enough and unabashed with such genocidal beliefs, thus Israel's attempt to push the palestinian to see the light, and finally end its 'death to jews' policies.


5. Netanayu's methods are not without reasons, but at this stage of human developement and evolution, his methods may be counter-productive to the peace effort. Punishing the west bank, whom is a moderate group ready to sit for talks, even though is by right the correct authority to engage with, will not sit well with the world.

It is the wild Gaza ruled land that intends to milk all sympathy at any cost to fool the world, and is hindering the peace process.

A hard line approach will never work, nor will a bleeding heart pacifist liberal handling of the situation that will only be taken full advantage of by the cunning.

It calls for a leader with foresight and intelligence, who wears soft velvet lined but hard metal gloves, not one with full metal gauntalets to deal with this new age of perceptions, to lead the way to achieve lasting peace to progress and evolve for all on both sides.- palestinians who seek for peace and israelis who seek for security



posted on Nov, 30 2012 @ 12:58 PM
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Originally posted by schuyler

What people don't get about Israel is that it is not like the United States, where you can for all of England, Scotland, and Wales into one western state. Distances are compressed. If someone built an apartment house on a vacant lot in the middle of Seattle, no one would even take notice, but of you do the exact same thing in Jerusalem, it's billed as "50 authorized settlements."


There is a difference. The home that are being built, have and usually do include heavy machinery
demolishing a home that already was lived in.

If people did not realize this look up Rachel Corry.

People tend to forget that fact, that there is people already living in these places. People's farms and homes are being taken from them just so people can have an apartment, house.


then there is this PLO condemns Israel’s plan to build 3,000 new settler units



posted on Nov, 30 2012 @ 01:08 PM
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Lets face it this is just really Israel’s way of saying “up yours Palestine!” they are chucking all their toys out of the pram because daddy (the UN) told her to listen to baby cousin Palestine by giving it observer status at the UN. Israel is sending a message saying that we don’t recognise your new status nor do we intend to change how we act just because you have a little bit more democratic recognition.

Let them build their settlements, let’s hope that eventually daddy (the UN) will use his whip (the ICC) and force Israel to give back the land to the Palestinians.



posted on Nov, 30 2012 @ 01:19 PM
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Well done Israel, I think you ought to build as many as you can, and while your about it you can take these scumbags the UK have had land on us over the last few years from Muslim countrys, we don't want them sponging on us.


And the rest of the UK don’t want you giving us all a bad name with posts like that

The UK is a multination state with a multicultural society by its very nature the integration of other faiths is a good thing in my view. Singling out Muslims the way you have done is racist as you have singled out one group in society why not say that about the Jews or the Catholic polish immigrants.

And on the issue of Israel how would you like it if France started building on Portsmouth and declaring it as their land forcing the entire population into a area the size of London then blocking off all humanitarian support getting in. Your Muslim neighbours and the plight of the people of Gaza and the other Palestinians are in no way similar.



posted on Nov, 30 2012 @ 01:20 PM
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Originally posted by OtherSideOfTheCoin

Let them build their settlements, let’s hope that eventually daddy (the UN) will use his whip (the ICC) and force Israel to give back the land to the Palestinians.


Do you really believe the UN can force Israel to do anything?

Really?



posted on Nov, 30 2012 @ 01:23 PM
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Whipping Israel is the stupidiest thing to do.

Do you think belting a child will get him to conform? It never works, and only builds up hatred, ready to explode in a future time to painful consequences for both father and child.

First, comprehend WHY the child is reacting in such a manner, then address the issues, resolve them and the child will grow to become a better person.

Comprehend why Israel is doing it. They are only doing it to make Palestinians take responsibility for their decisions, to truly mean what they said about desiring for peace and not just flowery mass fooling meaningless words. It has got to back by action.

And the action is to curb Hamas and their barbaric followers, to negotiate for peace and rightful existance of BOTH sides. It is not a one way street.

May the 136 nations that supported the palestine people, help to move the rightful palestine rulers to see the light, end their animosity of jews and learn to live in negotiated peace, end the conflict once and for all. It will gain not only Palestinian's UN observer status by ALL nations on Earth, it will gain even the final independence all palestinians seek for less those whom wish to annihilate all mankind.

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posted on Nov, 30 2012 @ 01:38 PM
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No I don’t but I HOPE they do, although I don’t have much faith in the UN.



posted on Nov, 30 2012 @ 02:23 PM
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When is somebody going to grow a set, drag Israel and Palestinians into a room, explain that they're both behaving like children, and give them a slap. Israel has to hand back the disputed territories and stop acting like a bully - their neighbors have to get a grip and accept that Israel is not going anywhere. The UN has monitors to keep the peace.

I suppose both sides would suddenly have nothing to moan about and get bored



posted on Nov, 30 2012 @ 02:31 PM
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Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
The problem with palestinian supporters is that they REFUSED to accept truths and reality, and are the problem the world face today with the middle east situation.

1. Israel were not the ones to initiate wars upon the palestinian arabs when it proclaimed independence by a UN weary of the throatcutting by both sides within the BRITISH RULED land of palestine - a province of the brutal and corrupted Islamic Ottoman empire won by the Brits in their quest to seize the Suez, to partition the 2 communities with borders of their own to live in peace.


2. Israel had long recognised the 2 state solution by UN in 1948, but thanks to 'arab brothers' whom were only more keen to gain territory and sovereignity in arab lands, fooled the palestinians by misusing religion to evacuate from the West Bank and Gaza, which those 'arab brothers' had promised that the jews would be throwned back into the sea.

It never happened despite 3 wars and numerous inhuman terrorist attacks for decades by the 'arab brothers'. Instead, they were beaten back and would have lost even their own lands if Israel was greedy.


3. Those lands that the 'arab brothers' had lost was by right of conquest - Israel's terroritories paid by the thousands of men who fought and evicted the genocidal 'arab brothers' fools.

Yet today, Israel stands ready to return those israeli blood soaked lands known derisively as 'occupied terrorities' by the palestinians and ignorant fools worldwide, to the palestinian not only for self rule, but for independence. Not for money, but just one thing - right for Israeli to exist in peace.


4. Unfortunately, elements within the palestinian people and worldwide are hell bent on the extermination of the jews, as if historical evidences of such efforts were not enough and unabashed with such genocidal beliefs, thus Israel's attempt to push the palestinian to see the light, and finally end its 'death to jews' policies.


5. Netanayu's methods are not without reasons, but at this stage of human developement and evolution, his methods may be counter-productive to the peace effort. Punishing the west bank, whom is a moderate group ready to sit for talks, even though is by right the correct authority to engage with, will not sit well with the world.

It is the wild Gaza ruled land that intends to milk all sympathy at any cost to fool the world, and is hindering the peace process.

A hard line approach will never work, nor will a bleeding heart pacifist liberal handling of the situation that will only be taken full advantage of by the cunning.

It calls for a leader with foresight and intelligence, who wears soft velvet lined but hard metal gloves, not one with full metal gauntalets to deal with this new age of perceptions, to lead the way to achieve lasting peace to progress and evolve for all on both sides.- palestinians who seek for peace and israelis who seek for security



Here's a little tidbit that just happens to smash your argument in the first round.....


Early in 1935, a passenger ship bound for Haifa in Palestine left the German port of Bremerhaven. Its stern bore the Hebrew letter for its name, "Tel Aviv", while a swastika banner fluttered from the mast. And although the ship was Zionist owned, its captain was a National Socialist Party (Nazi) member. Many years later a traveler aboard the ship recalled this symbolic combination as a "metaphysical absurdity". Absurd or not, this is but one vignette from a little-known chapter of history: The wide ranging collaboration between Zionism and Hitler's Third Reich.

In early January 1941 a small but important Zionist organization submitted a formal proposal to German diplomats in Beirut for a military-political alliance with wartime Germany. The offer was made by the radical underground "Fighters for the Freedom of Israel", better known as the Lehi or Stern Gang. Its leader, Avraham Stern, had recently broken with the radical nationalist "National Military Organization" (Irgun Zvai Leumi - Etzel) over the group's attitude toward Britain, which had effectively banned further Jewish settlement of Palestine. Stern regarded Britain as the main enemy of Zionism.

(Original document in German Auswertiges Amt Archiv, Bestand 47-59, E224152 and E234155-58.

Complete original text published in: David Yisraeli, The Palestinian Problem in German Politics 1889-1945 (Israel: 1947) pp. 315-317).


Still want to defend your murderous, Nazi loving buddies???



posted on Nov, 30 2012 @ 04:33 PM
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I support the legitimate country. How and when it was acquired is irrelevant.


It is entirely relevant since your argument is based around international law (i.e. sovereign powers). In accordance with international law, occupied peoples have the right to resist violently. As such, according to your own theory, you support Hamas' terrorist attacks. It goes both ways.



posted on Nov, 30 2012 @ 04:36 PM
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What I have noticed in this thread is that when Israel's actions are beyond any doubt, utterly indefensible even using a skewed perspective that ignores facts and realities, the Zionist intellectuals on this forum go into hiding and the moronic bigots come out to play.

Spare yourself the agony. Do not argue with idiots. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.



posted on Nov, 30 2012 @ 04:38 PM
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Originally posted by SpeachM1litant
reply to post by micmerci
 





I support the legitimate country. How and when it was acquired is irrelevant.


It is entirely relevant since your argument is based around international law (i.e. sovereign powers). In accordance with international law, occupied peoples have the right to resist violently. As such, according to your own theory, you support Hamas' terrorist attacks. It goes both ways.


Bravo sir, well laid out.

It is sad, that the Hasbara agency has over 22,000 agents actively spreading violent propaganda....

Hasbara Fellowhips..



posted on Nov, 30 2012 @ 04:42 PM
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Well Israel warned the PA that it's backhanded methods would be requited...

In any case, Israel has every right according to international law to build in the Jerusalem area - since the the west bank is still classified as 'disputed territory'.

This also serves to make contiguous Jerusalem with Ma'alah Adumim.



posted on Nov, 30 2012 @ 04:42 PM
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Originally posted by MystikMushroom
reply to post by detachedindividual
 


The problem is that they are there period. No one in the region wants them there.

It's like having a very loud and obnoxious person at a party. No one wants them there except the big bouncer-looking guy (USA). Everyone else has to put up with the obnoxious behavior and it's litterally killing the mood of the party.

The fact that this party-goer knows no one can do anything about it just emboldens them to act like more of a jackhole.

They can have their synagogues and religious sites, but why on Earth do they get to have their very own country?

I grew up in a really neat house...it's been about 20 years since I've lived there. I think I'll arm myself and take the house back, and shove the people living there into a crappy shed out back. I mean I was born in that house, it's my birthright!!

edit on 30-11-2012 by MystikMushroom because: (no reason given)


Not quite true.

The native Arabs were quite content with the British Mandate....that is until the Jewish terror cells like Irgun, Lehi ect..committed genocide and ethnic cleansing.


Oh...and for the 5th time...the zionists collaborated with Hitler..a big no no for the Arabs, as most of them fought AGAINST the Third Reich..



posted on Nov, 30 2012 @ 04:45 PM
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Originally posted by dontreally
Well Israel warned the PA that it's backhanded methods would be requited...

In any case, Israel has every right according to international law to build in the Jerusalem area - since the the west bank is still classified as 'disputed territory'.

This also serves to make contiguous Jerusalem with Ma'alah Adumim.


It is hilarious how you continue to defend a group of people, whos first sponsor was ADOLF HITLER!....

And I am quite sure you meant to say threatened, and not "warned".

Thank God that 139 nations of Earth, think people like you are dangerous, to be aggressively ignored. =]



posted on Nov, 30 2012 @ 04:46 PM
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Originally posted by dontreally

In any case, Israel has every right according to international law to build in the Jerusalem area - since the the west bank is still classified as 'disputed territory'.

This also serves to make contiguous Jerusalem with Ma'alah Adumim.


really??

Since 1979 the United Nations Security Council,[123] the United Nations General Assembly,[14] the United States,[124] the EU,[125] the International Court of Justice,[126] and the International Committee of the Red Cross[15] refer to the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, as Palestinian territory occupied by Israel. General Assembly resolution 58/292 (17 May 2004) affirmed that the Palestinian people have the right to sovereignty over the area.[127]
Wiki excerpt, but sources UN security council and International court of Justice.

Just because you continually say it is disputed, and that its okay for Israel to build there does not make it correct or legal.
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posted on Nov, 30 2012 @ 04:46 PM
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It is hilarious how you continue to defend a group of people, whos first sponsor was ADOLF HITLER!....


Are you saying Hitler was a benefactor of the Jewish people?



posted on Nov, 30 2012 @ 04:49 PM
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Truth to tell, i have long ago stopped giving a crap about either group......
The hamas leaders are just doing what Arafat did, enriching their own selves at the expense of the people......
Its always the same kind of exploitation of the people.
Either side does not even care about their people......they are just reaching for more wealth and power, however they can get it.
Sucks to be them....let em kill each other off for all i care.....
We have more pressing problems over HERE!



posted on Nov, 30 2012 @ 04:50 PM
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Originally posted by dontreally
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It is hilarious how you continue to defend a group of people, whos first sponsor was ADOLF HITLER!....


Are you saying Hitler was a benefactor of the Jewish people?


I have PROVEN that the groups precursor to the IDF did INDEED collaborate with Adolf Hitler, in order to achieve their apartheid goals.

You definitely dont want to have this argument with me.





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