Originally posted by LaBTop

The embarrassing, for NIST, video by David Chandler, who proved 100% sure, that WTC 7 fell for 2.5 seconds in free fall.
That can only mean one simple thing, 18 floors were shattered to pieces above floor 5.

Does Chandler take into account that the south side of WTC 7 collapsed six seconds before the north side did (as he would have known, had he read the NIST report)? Or, does he simply take Gage's word for it that the whole building came down at once...and that WTC 7 never had any penthouse?

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It is a well known fact that many people who experienced a sudden blast very near to them, can't remember at all any SOUND of it, only the after effects of eardrums popped out, shrapnel wounds, blown off their feet, whatever more. But NOT the initial blast sound. Caused by the direct reaction of the body, to pump loads of Adrenaline into their system, to let their muscles react much faster then normal, and putting all their senses and brain on high alert, from the moment the Adrenaline spreads in the body. Which seems to flush that bit of memory from just before the Adrenaline injection in their blood stream. The initial blast.

Now, when you read your extra added text, one can assume one sure thing from it : he didn't hear anything indicating WTC 7 was starting to come down. PERIOD.

Then comes a very interesting piece of information, that all he heard were those radio's, bursting out to "get out of the way".
That can only mean one thing. That the demolition started at the roof its floor. Which is true, we can all see it starting with the sinking of those two penthouses down into the roof.

Because radio wearing officials much further away, who looked to the top of WTC 7, saw the east penthouse on top of the roof, sink into that roof. And knew the building gave way, thus shouted in their radios to get AWAY..! Then it took ANOTHER 8.2 seconds after the first kink in the east penthouse occurred, before the whole roof line started to sink down, with all facades in tight lock-step.
Note that 1 second before you saw the first kink occurring, that ultra low frequency rumbling can be heard in my linked video. And Bartmer says he didn't hear anything, UNTIL that umbrella of crap (debris), 7 feet above him, shot out of the facade above him.
Anybody reasonable sane will understand that that event will not have been soundless.
And that that event THUS must have accompanied that first deep rumbling sound.
And all the rest of the building falling does not add anything audible to my linked video.
Meaning that that first deep rumble must have been awful loud inside WTC 7.
But Bartmer heard from that moment on lots of boooms in a constant row. Which can only mean explosives. Chaotic gravitational collapses are NEVER accompanied by constant rows of booomms. Only by a whole cacophony of screeching sounds, knacking sounds, tearing sounds, breaking and cutting sounds, but never by such a perfect cascade of booomms as expressed by Bartmer.

And the way WTC 7 collapsed, indicates that its roof beams must have been cut under the two penthouses, or, another possibility, lots of internal columns where that roof rested on were suddenly out of the way, since we have those proven FIRST 2.5 seconds perfect free fall measured by David Chandler and admitted at last by NIST, to let all four facade-sides so utterly smoothly sink out of all news-camera sights. And since both penthouses sinked away first, we may assume that all resistance UNDER them was gone, their supporting roof floor was GONE.

Now we have a few very peculiar timing-descriptions we can extract from his words and my video.
1. No initial huge sound of structural steel breaking, says Bartmer. He must have forgot to mention them together with that "umbrella of crap" moment, since no high rise building crumbles silently.
2. Those radio's bursts indicated lots of people saw SOME dangerous WTC 7 external movement SOMEWHERE, then, Bartmer looks up and SEVEN FEET above him, all kind of crap already burst out of the facade 7 feet above him, as an umbrella, which MUST mean that their was :

Either,
shaped charge explosions of whatever kind and origin to break the backbone of a steel building, that forced a lot of debris out of the building down to a very peculiar, VERY LOW height (7 feet; 2.10 meter, above him) while cutting all main internal and external columns over a height of 8 floors high, proved without a shimmer of doubt by those FIRST 2.5 seconds free fall. The distance fallen in 2.5 seconds is calculated to be the height of 8 floors in WTC 7.

Or,
a gravitational collapse pressed the whole building down through LOTS of breaking beams and columns at the same 8 floors, to be stopped either by the impact of that falling huge part of the building by the rocky bottom under the deepest cellars, or by the heavy basement columns and concrete floors of those. Which is always a VERY chaotic process.
That gravitational collapse theory does not fit his words. Such collapses are very chaotic and deliver broad debris shoots to all kind of different angles and directions.
nd surely no cascading booomms ! >
Not a neat umbrella of debris, which is a smooth bordered layer of debris seen from below. Like a curtain. Which accompany explosions that are set off by shaped charges, not chaotic collapses.

3. 1 second before the east penthouse-roof moves, you hear that huge low rumble sound in my linked to video. That must be the moment Bartmer looked up and saw its effect. After that he had 8.2 seconds more to flee out of harms way, and you walk damn fast and far loaded with adrenaline in that time. The most interesting remark is, that he says that that crap landed then BEHIND him. That means that that umbrella of crap wasn't that far out of the facade, that he could not outrun it, while it was JUST 7 feet (2.10 meters) above him.
Just try to outrun a brick falling from that height, from standing. That's nearly impossible, so that umbrella must have been very dusty debris.......Again, fine dust.....

GenRadek : Now how the hell does sol-gel thermite and your plastic residues fit into this I do not know, since all it really does is sow confusion and muddies the water. I thought these are suppose to be painted on.

Now you do it again. These were remarks from Dr Jones and Mr Ryan.
You are clearly sowing confusion and try to muddle the water. For the second time you lay words from other people in my mouth, and you never apologize.
A gentleman doesn't debate like that.

Originally posted by GoodOlDave

Originally posted by LaBTop

The embarrassing, for NIST, video by David Chandler, who proved 100% sure, that WTC 7 fell for 2.5 seconds in free fall.
That can only mean one simple thing, 8 floors were shattered to pieces above floor 5.

Does Chandler take into account that the south side of WTC 7 collapsed six seconds before the north side did (as he would have known, had he read the NIST report)? Or, does he simply take Gage's word for it that the whole building came down at once...and that WTC 7 never had any penthouse?

I just gave a few posts above this one,again the link to my other thread , WTC Destruction, the Leftover candidates, Pro&Contra Arguments.

Dave, do me a favor and provide us links to your remarks, because they are totally new to me.
Up till now I have never read anything about the South facade of WTC 7 around the time of collapse (17:20 P.M.)
Let it be that there are any photo's from it EVER published. Photo's while it came down.
Link please.

And WTC 7 had two penthouses (so called by about everyone writing about WTC 7) an east one that sank first, and a west one that sank at the end of those 8.2 seconds retention time that no movement occurred, so to see.
Until that west penthouse sank, and then the whole roof started sinking.
So, link please.