I'll first answer the "General's" post above, since it is again loaded with misconceptions.
That will cost me a few posts.
Then, I will start to answer all questions on this page 9, from the top down.
ONLY if those people still want answers, since I in fact answer all in the following posts, and have answered them already in that other thread
Your extra text, General, for which you again do not give a link to, now follows.
Not providing source links is very bad behavior in Internet forums, and everywhere, by the way, and you have a habit of doing it, too often to be a
For me, it looks on purpose, as if you try to implement slick behavior from my side.
When you use the local-quote (quote) or external-quote (ex) tags, you MUST add the SOURCE link.
As I did, and you don't...! :
"I saw, you know, there was definitely fire in the building, you know, but ... um, I didn't hear any, and you know maybe this is movie crap, i
didn't hear any creaking or i didn't hear any indication that it was going to come down, and all of a sudden the radios exploded and everybody started
screaming, "Get away. Get away. Get away from it." and I was like a dear in the headlights. And I look up. It was that moment, you know, "Get away",
and I looked up... and...
Now follows my linked-to video its full text, i.o.w., all the words spoken by Bartmer in my linked-to video, there are no other words spoken by him in
that video, and you know that damn well :
It was...nothing I would ever imagine seeing in my life...., you know, the thing started peeling in on itself. I mean...there was an umbrella of
crap, seven feet over my head, I just stared at it...somebody grab my shoulder and I started running, and the # hit the ground behind me. (That was
his description of his overall feelings, but not about the moment when he heard anything)
And the WHOLE TIME you heard BOOOMMM BOOOMMM BOOOM BOOOMM.
So, ...I.....I think I know an explosion when I hear it.
After you will give a link to words SPOKEN by Bartmer HIMSELF in another video, and no quoted text by some news reporter, I will believe your
For now, I will ask you one simple question :
texts, where do you hear him say anywhere that he heard any sound at all from the onset
of a natural gravitational collapse,
thus, one without explosions.
I hear him only say he knew an explosion when he heard one. And he definitely heard many of them, as booommms.
I do not hear him say that he heard signs of a natural collapse, NOT ONE. Now, isn't that strange?
And I really hope that you understand that such a natural collapse, if occurred, is for sure not a silent one....
So, one simple conclusion we extracted already from the combined words :
In both texts he gives no indication AT ALL of the huge sound which MUST have been accompanying the first breaking of the building, where- and
however that may have been.
He's not indicating any onset sound for your pet-theory, and also not for my pet-theory.
Thus I call that subject a DRAW : The first huge sound from a breaking building, he did not say a word about it.
But he underscores very precise, my pet-theory with his last two lines, the Booommms and that he knows an explosion when he hears one. And pay extra
attention to his words : "the whole time".
EDIT : the above was also mentioned as an answer to this poster, first at top of this page 9 :
post by vipertech0596
edit on 13/12/12 by LaBTop because: (no