Originally posted by -PLB-
reply to post by LaBTop
Where did you get the term "ULF" from? Can you come with a source defining "ULF"? What is the frequency range of "ULF"? How did you determine
that the sound heard in the video is inside this range? How did you determine that your bombs match this signature? How did you determine that nothing
else matches this signature?
edit on 30-12-2012 by -PLB- because: (no reason given)
WTC destruction, the Leftover candidates, Pro&Contra Arguments.
Tell us why all these video's and links I posted, are in errancy. Come to the meat of the matter, no sidestepping anymore.
Possible usage of TB's is a theory, mine, and is just an effort of mine to find if it fits in, in all these other arguments which are documented
When you can't argue such set-in-stone arguments, you chose to go on a nitpicking tour? Why? What's your motive? Surely not finding true
If so, you would counter all these solid facts with something more substantial.
If that bit in your last post is all you can find to counter ALL the arguments in that heap I already posted, I'm sorry to say it, but thats really a
form of grotesque nitpicking.
You know very well what I mean, SOUND waves (no radio waves) so low in frequency, that you nearly can't hear them with your ears, but for sure feel
them in your stomach, as I already many times wrote in my recent posts.
Wikipedia. 2004 :
Hearing or audition is the sense of sound perception and results from tiny hair fibers in the inner ear detecting the motion of atmospheric
particles within (at best) a range of 20 to 20000 Hz. Sound can also be detected as vibration by tactition. Lower and higher frequencies than
can be heard, are detected this way only.
Tactile sound is the sensation of sound transmitted directly to the human body by contact, rather than by sound waves through the ears. For
example, when you stand on a train platform you can feel the train approaching as well as hearing it. Explosions, crashes, sonic booms, and
thunder are all normally felt in addition to being heard.
The human tactile frequency range is from 1 Hz, very low frequency such as earthquakes, up to 5 kHz in some hearing impaired individuals.
For most individuals 2 to 3 kHz (2000 to 3000 Hz) is the upper threshold for tactile reception.
Back to the nitpicking-tour, out of 100,000 words, video's and photo's, you find 3 characters that could be a mistake, misunderstanding, typo,
So, let's cut one off, and instead make it Very Low Frequency Sounds
and not radio wavelengths.
We are for years already, talking about explosions, with SOUND frequencies with very long wavelengths. My intention is clear, my definition
Some countries want to restrict the term ULF to radio-waves spectra effects only, some also use the term for sound-waves spectra effects and
electromagnetic spectra effects.
You may also call it tactile sound, or infra sound if you like that better.
Exp.: Can you come with a source defining "ULF"?
What is the frequency range of "ULF"?
Ultra-low frequency (ULF) is the frequency range of electromagnetic waves between 300 Hertz and 3000 Hertz (3 kilohertz). These radio waves have a
wavelength between 100 and 1000 kilometer. In magnetosphere science and in seismology, alternative definitions are usually given, including
ranges from 1 MHz to 100 Hz, 1 MHz to 1 Hz, 10 MHz to 10 Hz. Frequencies above 3 Hz in atmosphere science are usually assigned to the ELF
So, yes, djeez, BIG mistake...
I Should have typed Very Low Frequency SOUND waves. I Should have been more precise. Wow, excellent! Good
Exp.: Where did you get the term "ULF" from?
Here are two electromagnetic usages of the term, since its use in seismology is also widespread :
1. O. Molchanov, A. Schekotov, E. Fedorov, G. Belyaev, and E. Gordeev, "Preseismic ULF electromagnetic effect from observation at Kamchatka",
Natural Hazards and Earth System Sciences, Volume 3, Pages 203-209, 2003
2. Fraser-Smith, Antony C.; Bernardi, A.; McGill, P. R.; Ladd, M. E.; Helliwell, R. A.; Villard, Jr., O. G. (August 1990). "Low-Frequency Magnetic
Field Measurements Near the Epicenter of the Ms 7.1 Loma Prieta Earthquake" Geophysical Research Letters (Washington, D.C.: American Geophysical
Union) 17 (9): 1465–1468.
Exp.: How did you determine that the sound heard in the video is inside this range?
My gut feeling. Me and you and everybody else with good audio equipment hear a very low rumbling SOUND a few seconds before WTC 7 fell.
If you put it out on really good external speakers instead of a very good headphones-set, you feel it in your stomach. For me, that's ultra low
sound, very low sound, a low frequency effect sound, a tactile sound, or an infra sound if you like that better. Make your pick, all Nit's out
Infrasound also can be generated by human-made processes such as sonic booms and explosions (both chemical and nuclear).
How did you determine that your bombs match this signature? How did you determine that nothing else matches this signature?
Because of this information about Thermobaric bombs and their effects :
"We just learned about thermobaric explosives in the late '80s when the Soviet Union was disintegrating," said Stephen Murray, head of the
threat assessment group at the defense agency's Suffield, Alta., laboratories. "Those weapons (later) started showing up on the open market."
Western militaries have traditionally concentrated their efforts on developing what are known as fragmentation or penetration weapons. Those use
explosives to propel metal at a high velocity, either using a warhead to disable a vehicle, such as a tank, or creating shrapnel to kill or wound
"It turns out that other countries, the Russians in particular, went in the other direction," Murray said. "They decided that blast was a very good
way of killing things."
For security reasons, he declined to give specifics about how thermobaric warheads are designed.
The BLU-118/B bomb body can be attached to a variety of laser guidance system packages, including the GBU-15, GBU-24, GBU-27, and GBU-28 laser
guided bombs, as well as the AGM-130 missiles.
BLU-118B weapon operational concepts include vertical delivery with the bomb detonated at or just outside portal, skip bomb with short fuse (1st or
second contact), skip bomb with long fuse (penetrate door, max distance down adit), and vertical delivery to penetrate overburden and detonate inside
the tunnel adit.
See that photo included. Its slick and slim exterior would fit the famous payload extension seen by many under the body of the second attack plane in
New York. Especially when fitted with these various system packages, which extends the length of this TB bomb to twice its length, and fits that
grainy video where we see that long thin "thingy" extension under the belly of Flight 175. And see perhaps a laser pointer as the flash on the
facade, just right of the nose cone of the plane. Then set to detonate 10 millisecond after penetration of the outer facade, the resulting huge
fireball would look damn equal to what we see in all these video's of the second impact.
Just a thought that came up. Don't go rampant on things like this, since the immediate question that comes up is : Why was such a possible weapon
then still attached to the plane's belly, 10 meters from nose cone impact?
You should read the 333 comments, those "smart, brutally honest observations" in the Comments section too !
Read 9.4 : More effective explosives.
8. NATO-OTAN. Emerging Threats.
Read Annex J1.10 : Thermobaric (To be completed)
Also page 88 / 206 Annex B.12.f : Emerging Threats. From The 3rd Meeting of the NATO Military Operations in Urban Terrain (MOUT) Team of Experts (TOE)
which was conducted in Thun, Switzerland over the period 5-8 Feb 2002.
Scroll to THERMOBARIC WEAPON.
10. High explosives (HE) cutting charges, set off under water, also deliver a sound pattern which would fit that rumbling sound in the WTC 7 video's
The supersonic cutting plasma stream of them will still cut the steel in a drowned elevator shaft bottom, and they will also cut the side of a m3
water tank first, which was placed tight against a central steel column in a basement or higher floor of a WTC building.
And last but not least, a TBX is of course the ultimate poor-man's bomb.
That's why the secrecy about TB's is still at such high levels, terrorists will use them, if they get their hands on them.
And there's a lot of former-well paid Russian, Ukrainian etc weapon developers now underpaid or poor, for sale on the black market, for good money
they'll tell you anything what you need to know.