Originally posted by sheepslayer247
I have been reading into the budget proposal and fail to see what is unconstitutional. In fact, this proposal seems to illuminate the fact that
congress is untrustworthy and needs to have it's broad powers put on a leash.
On the other hand, if you go to FoxNews and other Right-leaning websites you will see this nonsense being regurgitated over and over again...as if
they all got together and decided what today's talking points were going to be.
So all due respect to the OP, but this is just more rhetoric.
You can find this on the FoxNews front page:
OPINION: It's Time for Republicans to Let Obama Own Fiscal Crisis
and this is what the Right is trying to do. They are not interested in doing their duty for the American people, they want to put blame on Obama while
they sit back and do nothing.
I hope the Republicans make a counter-offer and let's get the negotiations rolling. Otherwise it will just look like Obama was willing to play ball
but the Republicans didn't show up to the game because they couldn't rig it from the start.
First, great thread everyone! I got up to see what happened and was shocked to see how this developed!
To the reply though.... It doesn't matter much either way if you believe me but I will say for what it's worth. I didn't even see a mention about
"Constitutionality" from anywhere else when I started this OP last night. The reference I started from was furious about the TAXES.
As mentioned about the taxes? They have nothing to do with my outrage. Taxes are just par for the course and while short sighted and foolish to my
thinking, that's a fair point of debate and others have the opposite view on those. Fair enough..and we'll get the chance to see if they work or
Timothy Geithner's concept of the outright removal of statutory debt ceiling control by the House of Representatives IS a Constitutional
and I started the reply noting that I hadn't even seen the Constitutionality of it mentioned in media because I didn't HAVE to...and
nor should anyone else.
Still, everyone has had the chance to look by now and the Constitution is anything but vague or unclear about this. I did quote literal section and
words in the OP.
The Power of the 'Purse' is *ABSOLUTE* for legal and statutory control to the Legislative Branch and specifically to the House. The only way that
can change is if Congress willingly and knowingly gives that authority away to the Executive branch.....and I'm anxious to see that come before the
Supreme Court as a test, to be honest. I'm not sure Congress CAN give this power away without Constitutional Amendment.
Why it matters............
People are kinda confused as to how this changes anything. Congress still writes the Budgets, so why should debt ceiling removal matter? Well, that's
just it. Congress has NOT been writing budgets since Bush left. His 'carry-over' budget from the 2008/2009 proposal was passed and that was the last
budget in a formal layout the United States has seen. Our nation has gone single years in the past without a budget passed and sometimes for political
reasons. Election time and such...but this is going into a SECOND TERM
without so much as mention made of the fact the US has no budget and
hasn't had one for 4 years.
When you look at no budget to formally constrain and contain the Executive Branch spending across the myriad of Government Dept's (Almost ALL of
Government someone sees every day and thinks about IS Executive Branch based) then spending outside lines which don't really exist becomes a bit more
understandable. Coming to Congress is a required and PUBLIC act...it limits their zeal for asking for more and raising that limit, as it SHOULD,
Remember folks...it won't ALWAYS BE
a Democrat in the White House. It's Short Sighted to an EXTREME to allow bad ideas like this to happen
because "Obama can be trusted". TOO many of us said the same ignorant thing when Bush pushed the Patriot Act. Oh was that a lesson about thinking
ahead on what President's want done.