CIA-Sponsored Trolls Monitor Internet & Interact With Users to Discredit Factual Information

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posted on Dec, 1 2012 @ 10:35 AM
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Let's be blunt here.

Yes, people get payed to sway people's opinions.

Yes, they're here. They're at GLP, the NYT and any other major media outlet where hundreds of thousands people read and share opinions about important topics.

Yes, Government agencies are involved. It's been proven and documented. Not that it had to be because they've been trying to sway peoples' opinions WAY before the internet existed. Think the hysteria over the Salem witch trials. Big bad Russia and the commies in the 50's. 9/11. Be it word of mouth, print publications, television or the internet, people in power have been wanting to shape the opinions of the public to suit whatever agenda they have for a very long time.

But they do it here, now, the same way they do it anywhere else. By starting stories. I suppose they could have influence over people by making themselves out to be average posters, but they have more effect by starting conversations then by joining them. It's no different really, just a lot more tame, then when I churn out a few 1,000 word articles on real estate. I do so to help people get more involved with that market, and I do it by stating opinions and facts as I gather them. By doing that, I'm helping to shape peoples' opinions on the side of wanting to get involved in real estate.

The only difference from what I do on that front and what someone else does here when they start a conversation about getting involved to change the Government, is that I'm not called a paid shill. They are. We're both doing essentially the same thing in that we're stating opinions and facts that people can either agree with or not, and we get paid for it.

In short, places like this are good for letting off steam. In the 6 years I've been here I've seen very few posters and posts that I would consider having a positive and/or drastic effect on others' lives. If the Government feels like they're making a difference by putting paid posters here, more power to them. But you're not going to see me getting upset about it because, really, what kind of a difference are they making by being here? Not much from where I'm sitting because if a thread goes on for 10 pages, 8 of those will be arguments. Not constructive conversations, but arguments. And based on people I see in real life, that's par for the for the course. If two people don't agree with each other, somethings wrong with one of them. If 2 posters don't agree with each other, one's a shill. Same thing and it's all petty. You don't change peoples' opinions by instigating arguments. You change peoples' opinions by stimulating conversations.

I hate to break it to you guys and gals, but the people here who are payed to sway opinions are the ones who are on the level of posters like Slayer and Phage. ( NOT them personally) The posters who, when they start a conversation it takes off right away because people pay attention to them. They can change many opinions. People like me can only change a few. So......who do you think the Government is going to hire?





posted on Dec, 1 2012 @ 10:45 AM
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no offense but really? who didn't already suspect that? The next question you may ask could be How are they deciphering all that information? they can't have individuals reading everything everybody is writing all the time because that would take just about the same number of people, so they must have some sort of chess computer figuring out everybody's next move and if they are ready to revolt. my guess would be we are not ready because if we are on a computer talking about stupid crap like this we are not in the majority of suffering people around the world who don't have a pot to piss in or a computer on which to complain.



posted on Dec, 1 2012 @ 10:54 AM
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posted on Dec, 1 2012 @ 11:17 AM
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Star for GIMP
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posted on Dec, 1 2012 @ 11:23 AM
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So... I'm planning to fly to California next year... Anything I should know before I waste money on a ticket?




posted on Dec, 1 2012 @ 11:30 AM
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Originally posted by Taupin Desciple
I hate to break it to you guys and gals, but the people here who are payed to sway opinions are the ones who are on the level of posters like Slayer and Phage. ( NOT them personally) The posters who, when they start a conversation it takes off right away because people pay attention to them. They can change many opinions. People like me can only change a few. So......who do you think the Government is going to hire?



With effective methods of deflection, misinformation and disinformation, a change of narrative and/or "talking points" in discussions, and in the news the media feeds the masses, no one really needs to be paid to do anything, an army of more than willing but unaware and gullible people can become your trolls for free.

That is the brilliance in the newer strategies.




posted on Dec, 1 2012 @ 11:46 AM
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Originally posted by Hefficide
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So... I'm planning to fly to California next year... Anything I should know before I waste money on a ticket?


Yes there is something you all need to know and now I will spill the beans. Wait what is that red dot oh sh-



posted on Dec, 1 2012 @ 11:47 AM
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articles.businessinsider.com... _1_nsa-spy-israeli-paper

NSA's chief General Keith Alexander was called before Congress last week to testify about the $2 billion Utah spy center the NSA is currently building, and he said that the NSA does not have the ability to spy on the confidential personal communications of Americans. It seems that he wasn't lying since the NSA hired secretive contractors with extensive ties to Israel to provide hardware and software for 10 to 20 wiretapping rooms in key telecommunication points throughout the country, according to Wired. Thus the NSA has gained access to most of the domestic traffic flowing through the U.S. without actually doing it themselves. Read more: articles.businessinsider.com...



www.privacysos.org...

While the supercomputer systems NARUS makes are likely not available to state and local law enforcement (except perhaps to mega-departments like the NYPD), they are in use by the largest and most secretive of all the US intelligence agencies: the NSA. Boeing subsidiary Narus and other companies like it, including Verint, Comverse and NICE, automate the collection of most of the electronic data in the world, including mostly everything on the internet, including voice-over IP calls through services like Skype; the vast majority of phone conversations and mobile communications; and the transactional records that undergird these international telecommunications systems. Former NSA crypto-mathematician Bill Binney has publicly stated that he thinks the NSA stores copies of every email transmitted in the United States. Narus is likely the computer that catches and stores this data.



posted on Dec, 1 2012 @ 01:08 PM
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Hefficides new thread...




The new world of the internet, abstracted from the old world of brute atoms, longed for independence. But states and their friends moved to control our new world -- by controlling its physical underpinnings. The state, like an army around an oil well, or a customs agent extracting bribes at the border, would soon learn to leverage its control of physical space to gain control over our platonic realm. It would prevent the independence we had dreamed of, and then, squatting on fiber optic lines and around satellite ground stations, it would go on to mass intercept the information flow of our new world -- its very essence even as every human, economic, and political relationship embraced it.

The state would leech into the veins and arteries of our new societies, gobbling up every relationship expressed or communicated, every web page read, every message sent and every thought googled, and then store this knowledge, billions of interceptions a day, undreamed of power, in vast top secret warehouses, forever. It would go on to mine and mine again this treasure, the collective private intellectual output of humanity, with ever more sophisticated search and pattern finding algorithms, enriching the treasure and maximizing the power imbalance between interceptors and the world of interceptees.

And then the state would reflect what it had learned back into the physical world, to start wars, to target drones, to manipulate UN committees and trade deals, and to do favors for its vast connected network of industries, insiders and cronies....


Full article and discussion here: www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Dec, 1 2012 @ 01:20 PM
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CIA isnt very bright....their intellignece took a back seat in the mid 90's. Some of the stuff they do is rather juvenille and I could care less if they watch me. They could come knock on my door if they wanted to, all they would get is a conversation of how ancient they are in a world that doesn't need them anymore.

They not scary anymore....they hold no mystique, they are women's shoe salesmen.



posted on Dec, 1 2012 @ 01:28 PM
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Originally posted by Kastogere
CIA isnt very bright....their intellignece took a back seat in the mid 90's. Some of the stuff they do is rather juvenille and I could care less if they watch me. They could come knock on my door if they wanted to, all they would get is a conversation of how ancient they are in a world that doesn't need them anymore.

They not scary anymore....they hold no mystique, they are women's shoe salesmen.




I'd love to know what you base this opinion on.... What is it you think "they" do or aren't effective at?



posted on Dec, 1 2012 @ 01:50 PM
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Underestimating actual capabilities and advances in technologies can be very beneficial to them.




posted on Dec, 1 2012 @ 02:11 PM
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To be honest I am taking the opening post with a pinch of salt. I need to see a bit more reliable information that a link to an occupy movement website which will be biased against the government and may not report first hand information. Also, you have to question why the government would need to do this (if they are doing it) and what they are hoping to get out of it? Sometimes people can be so closed minded to reality that all they want to believe in is conspiracies without thinking about things logically.



posted on Dec, 1 2012 @ 02:11 PM
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I am sure that trolls do exist! I am also sure there are many types of trolls! There are probably some that attempt to disprove truth. Some that try to prove irrational conspiracy theories! As a matter of fact as of a few months ago I have become disheartened by the amount of irrational information on the internet! I feel as if it has become alot harder to sift through this information! Sometimes I feel it would be alot easier to just give up on finding out anything relavant! Then i consider that TPTB must be worried about the progress us truthers are making! that is when i decided to look at where i was looking to find out this truth and found there is more disinfo on the popular sites like ATS and it's better To stay on the fringe of the alternate media, where there is no effort to try and post disinfo by shills and agents of the intelligents community! I have been doing this over the past 3 months and have learned more in that time then in the year before that! I have also found out where i have been steered wrong! It would seem the Net has become like the MSM and the most popular of the sites are being strewn with lots of BS posts and threads! I have found that there are cleaner sources on the deep web but be weary ATS for the truth is relative and dependant on perspective as well as outlook and if you go looking without an open mind
you will most likely discount anything outside of your conservative or liberal view! So i suggest you lose your preconcieved notions and take in the possibilities that anything is possible! i realize this is difficult to do but without bias you will be more likely to find out what' real. That's not to say for you to throw away your rationality
and your suspicious nature! Goodluck lifting the veil of disinfo!



posted on Dec, 1 2012 @ 02:13 PM
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and the apologists with always apologize.

Its a two way street.



posted on Dec, 1 2012 @ 02:21 PM
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Originally posted by ProfessorT
To be honest I am taking the opening post with a pinch of salt. I need to see a bit more reliable information that a link to an occupy movement website which will be biased against the government and may not report first hand information. Also, you have to question why the government would need to do this (if they are doing it) and what they are hoping to get out of it? Sometimes people can be so closed minded to reality that all they want to believe in is conspiracies without thinking about things logically.


I thought that this was a very helpful post. I don't know if you will find it to be as well, but here it is...


Originally posted by ParanoidAmerican
Thanks to those of you who posted something on point and understanding my inability to post in the correct forum.
1. We know that the CIA and NSA are compiling data (fusion centers)
2. We know that computers are capable of sifting through mounds of data quickly to find info. (no army needed, just a good algorithm)
3. We know the ABC's have used disinformation in the past

This seems not only plausible but likely. Gathering massive amounts of data for feature use on all persons of interest.

This thread has a mound of data for you that think this is unlikely...
www.abovetopsecret.com...


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posted on Dec, 1 2012 @ 06:40 PM
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This already exists and its all over here in abovetopsecret.com



posted on Dec, 1 2012 @ 07:24 PM
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Originally posted by PaperbackWriter

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
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They don't have enough manpower to intercept every text message, every phone call and everytime someone watches kiddie porn on the internet.

Not that they wouldn't try, but with 300 million citizens. Not a snowball's chance in hell. Best they could do is monitor people they suspect as being a considerable threat to the current dictatorship.


This has been going on for ages. I remember when I was a teenager, Mike Wallace, I think it was, did a 60 minutes story from a NSA listening post in Puerto Rico.
It was a building larger than a couple football fields filled with tiny cubicles of people sitting with headsets.
There was a computer that listened in to all the phone calls listening for key words. When the keys were hit on, the computer would connect the call to a human in headphones to eavesdrop and listen to the conversation to see if it was important.

If they could do that then with the computers at that time, it doesn't surprise me in the least that all communication is screened and documented and sorted and collated with every other snippet known to man about the individuals.

Once they know what the "people are trending on", then they can insert some HB Gary intel gathering and robo
puppet posters to manage, discredit, spread disinfo as they are hired to do.


I will bet anything that when the transatlantic cable was in action, that there was not one dash or dot that came over that thing that was not being recorded or listened in on. It was set up that way.

At Roswell the teletype was stoped.

Robert E Lee in the last days of the war kept following messages form "southern spy networks" that kept him marching his men into the ground over long distances from one point to another chasing phantom food supply stores, untill his men were bags of bones. Spys that Lee had worked with all through the war and had come to trust.

The night Lincon was killed the guy guarding the door went down to the tavern to have some beer



posted on Dec, 1 2012 @ 07:54 PM
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Where do I apply for that job? The Feds need to email me if they are hiring part-time. I'm sure they already have my email. lol



posted on Dec, 1 2012 @ 08:02 PM
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This is TRULY one of the saddest things I've seen on the net. There is SO many people discrediting obvious information that it makes it practically impossible to really enjoy ATS. There are some good information such as Linda Moulton Howe (not saying she is perfect, but to me she is outstanding. But there are others like her. I have a lot of respect for her, she is doing tons of work I think in trying to get truth out there. But there is some might bright people that are HOLDING back major truths because of the Brookings Institute Report.

We can't grow as a society if important things are kept from us and millions will pass away and never told important things vital to growing in knowledge for health in the mind. It needs to be nourished just like the body. But the powers that be are holding back incredible information.

Sure we don't want to get overtaken by other worlds, dimensions or whatever, but when we are not given skills to protect ourselves, you know something is not very good.





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