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Originally posted by Taupin Desciple
I hate to break it to you guys and gals, but the people here who are payed to sway opinions are the ones who are on the level of posters like Slayer and Phage. ( NOT them personally) The posters who, when they start a conversation it takes off right away because people pay attention to them. They can change many opinions. People like me can only change a few. So......who do you think the Government is going to hire?
Originally posted by Hefficide
reply to post by Soshh
So... I'm planning to fly to California next year... Anything I should know before I waste money on a ticket?
NSA's chief General Keith Alexander was called before Congress last week to testify about the $2 billion Utah spy center the NSA is currently building, and he said that the NSA does not have the ability to spy on the confidential personal communications of Americans. It seems that he wasn't lying since the NSA hired secretive contractors with extensive ties to Israel to provide hardware and software for 10 to 20 wiretapping rooms in key telecommunication points throughout the country, according to Wired. Thus the NSA has gained access to most of the domestic traffic flowing through the U.S. without actually doing it themselves. Read more: articles.businessinsider.com...
While the supercomputer systems NARUS makes are likely not available to state and local law enforcement (except perhaps to mega-departments like the NYPD), they are in use by the largest and most secretive of all the US intelligence agencies: the NSA. Boeing subsidiary Narus and other companies like it, including Verint, Comverse and NICE, automate the collection of most of the electronic data in the world, including mostly everything on the internet, including voice-over IP calls through services like Skype; the vast majority of phone conversations and mobile communications; and the transactional records that undergird these international telecommunications systems. Former NSA crypto-mathematician Bill Binney has publicly stated that he thinks the NSA stores copies of every email transmitted in the United States. Narus is likely the computer that catches and stores this data.
The new world of the internet, abstracted from the old world of brute atoms, longed for independence. But states and their friends moved to control our new world -- by controlling its physical underpinnings. The state, like an army around an oil well, or a customs agent extracting bribes at the border, would soon learn to leverage its control of physical space to gain control over our platonic realm. It would prevent the independence we had dreamed of, and then, squatting on fiber optic lines and around satellite ground stations, it would go on to mass intercept the information flow of our new world -- its very essence even as every human, economic, and political relationship embraced it.
The state would leech into the veins and arteries of our new societies, gobbling up every relationship expressed or communicated, every web page read, every message sent and every thought googled, and then store this knowledge, billions of interceptions a day, undreamed of power, in vast top secret warehouses, forever. It would go on to mine and mine again this treasure, the collective private intellectual output of humanity, with ever more sophisticated search and pattern finding algorithms, enriching the treasure and maximizing the power imbalance between interceptors and the world of interceptees.
And then the state would reflect what it had learned back into the physical world, to start wars, to target drones, to manipulate UN committees and trade deals, and to do favors for its vast connected network of industries, insiders and cronies....
Originally posted by Kastogere
CIA isnt very bright....their intellignece took a back seat in the mid 90's. Some of the stuff they do is rather juvenille and I could care less if they watch me. They could come knock on my door if they wanted to, all they would get is a conversation of how ancient they are in a world that doesn't need them anymore.
They not scary anymore....they hold no mystique, they are women's shoe salesmen.
Originally posted by ProfessorT
To be honest I am taking the opening post with a pinch of salt. I need to see a bit more reliable information that a link to an occupy movement website which will be biased against the government and may not report first hand information. Also, you have to question why the government would need to do this (if they are doing it) and what they are hoping to get out of it? Sometimes people can be so closed minded to reality that all they want to believe in is conspiracies without thinking about things logically.
Originally posted by ParanoidAmerican
Thanks to those of you who posted something on point and understanding my inability to post in the correct forum.
1. We know that the CIA and NSA are compiling data (fusion centers)
2. We know that computers are capable of sifting through mounds of data quickly to find info. (no army needed, just a good algorithm)
3. We know the ABC's have used disinformation in the past
This seems not only plausible but likely. Gathering massive amounts of data for feature use on all persons of interest.
This thread has a mound of data for you that think this is unlikely...
Originally posted by PaperbackWriter
Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by ParanoidAmerican
They don't have enough manpower to intercept every text message, every phone call and everytime someone watches kiddie porn on the internet.
Not that they wouldn't try, but with 300 million citizens. Not a snowball's chance in hell. Best they could do is monitor people they suspect as being a considerable threat to the current dictatorship.
This has been going on for ages. I remember when I was a teenager, Mike Wallace, I think it was, did a 60 minutes story from a NSA listening post in Puerto Rico.
It was a building larger than a couple football fields filled with tiny cubicles of people sitting with headsets.
There was a computer that listened in to all the phone calls listening for key words. When the keys were hit on, the computer would connect the call to a human in headphones to eavesdrop and listen to the conversation to see if it was important.
If they could do that then with the computers at that time, it doesn't surprise me in the least that all communication is screened and documented and sorted and collated with every other snippet known to man about the individuals.
Once they know what the "people are trending on", then they can insert some HB Gary intel gathering and robo
puppet posters to manage, discredit, spread disinfo as they are hired to do.