Iran May Be Close to a Plutonium Bomb, German Defense Experts Warn

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posted on Nov, 29 2012 @ 08:15 PM
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This really is a chilling development. What's going on out in the field that this stuff can get to the critical point?

pjmedia.com...


Iran might be “on the verge of producing weapon-quality plutonium,” Germany’s daily Die Welt reported on Nov. 26. Hans Rühle, a former top official in the German defense ministry, and foreign editor Clemens Wergin cite clues pointing to an Iranian crash program to build a plutonium bomb in the just-released International Atomic Energy Agency report on Iran’s nuclear activity. Rühle headed German defense policy planning during the 1980s; Wergin is one of the most capable young journalists writing in any language. Their report should be read in dead earnest. The IAEA reported that Iran removed fuel rods from the Bushehr light water reactor—supposedly a peaceful application of nuclear energy—on October 22. There might be a technical explanation for the premature extraction of fuel rods from a light water reactor, Rühle and Wergin observe. But “it may also mean the starting point for production of weapons-grade plutonium. That would mean a dramatic expansion and acceleration of Iran’s nuclear armaments program (my translation).” Although light water reactors are not designed to produce weapons-grade plutonium, the design can produce large amounts of weapons-grade plutonium in a short period of time.




posted on Nov, 29 2012 @ 08:32 PM
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We better launch everything we got at them now... Seriously, who cares what they do. As long as they do not attack another country and use those weapons in self defense, Whats the big deal? I swear there is this never ending case of paranioa on the world scene.
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posted on Nov, 29 2012 @ 08:41 PM
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You know, a guy with spent nuclear fuel (it does go missing, ask the canadian government or ontario hydro), a modified centrifuge and separation process, shielding and a bit of smarts can do this in his garage. Critical mass for p239 is only about 16kgs and that is the mass that would begin fission, if you could hold 8kgs in each hand and smack them together, to produce the magic mushroom cloud.

Now, who sells p239 on the black market? You might want to look towards northern asia, it's pricey but it was do-able in the late 80's and these bitches haven't gotten any less mercenary over time. Then there's russia as well, so many silo's, so many warheads, what to do except make money selling surplus? Plus there are also a few missing warheads, they have sort of kinda like dissappeared when planes went down or the load got dropped due to malfunction in the ocean.

So saying Iran might have "the bomb" is not really that big a deal. I would rather know where the bombs are than not know, eg, in the hands of military/industrial complex psychopaths. But there are countries as well, at the same level of irresponsibility, maybe more so, when it comes to human rights issues, like Isreal and the US that have nuclear weapons. Then there are specialized radioactive arms... Can you say depleted uranium rounds? Sure knew ya could ;-)

But you know, it's not about "the bomb," this is all about access to resources, control at a distance, centralized banking and fractional reserve banking. If a country disagrees with IMF/World Bank policy, it goes onto the hit list or it's cabinet gets killed off (an example was made of Poland last year).

Cheers - Dave
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posted on Nov, 29 2012 @ 08:44 PM
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Who cares?? They should be allowed to if we're allowed to have one.... I find it SOOO hypocritical that we judge others (USA) when WE'RE the ONLY nation to ever use a nuclear bomb on another...

As long as Iran plays nice, they should be allowed to do what they choose in their country. Countries should be allowed to build up their weapons to protect themselves from possible enemies.....



posted on Nov, 29 2012 @ 08:49 PM
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Good. Let them have it.

Having it and using it are of different meanings altogether.

Let's give everybody one and the first to blink gets it !!!



posted on Nov, 29 2012 @ 08:49 PM
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theyve been "close to acquiring a nuclear weapon" since before i was born
i think its about time to put up or shut up
provide evidence or the next agency to spew this bs gets its budget slashed



posted on Nov, 29 2012 @ 08:50 PM
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Propaganda from one of the last Bush Era War on Terror crowd. Merkil. Sarkozy gone. Bush gone. Merkil gets to play propaganda agent with Israel now.



posted on Nov, 29 2012 @ 08:57 PM
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Originally posted by mypan
Good. Let them have it.

Having it and using it are of different meanings altogether.

Let's give everybody one and the first to blink gets it !!!


Great idea.. That seems more logical than pointing fingers at one and allowing the rest to build them.
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posted on Nov, 29 2012 @ 08:58 PM
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This goes to show that Israel's lobby is everywhere. This articl cites Hans Rhule, who was part of the German government 30 years ago. Rhule's stances are grossly pro Israeli and hawkish and is cited frequently by pro Israel blogs and papers. It is BS to make it sound like "Germany says so."


In the article titled “How Israel can destroy Iran’s nuclear program” Rühle analyzed the number of Israeli fighter jets and bombs necessary to obliterate Iran’s nuclear facilities.

Citing experts, Rühle writes that an extensive bombing campaign is within Israel’s capability to decimate Iran’s ability to continue to make progress on developing nuclear weapons.

The popular PJ Media news website columnist, David P. Goldman, wrote last week that “Hans Rühle was one of the toughest and most perspicacious analysts in those heady days” during the Cold war period.

Goldman added that “Rühle is highly confident that Israel could knock out Iran’s nuclear program for a decade or more with about 25 of its 87 F-15 fighter-bombers and a smaller number of its F-16s. Each of the F- 15s would carry two of the GBU-28 bunker busters, with the F-16s armed with smaller bombs.



posted on Nov, 29 2012 @ 09:02 PM
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Originally posted by ecapsretuo
Goldman added that “Rühle is highly confident that Israel could knock out Iran’s nuclear program for a decade or more with about 25 of its 87 F-15 fighter-bombers and a smaller number of its F-16s. Each of the F- 15s would carry two of the GBU-28 bunker busters, with the F-16s armed with smaller bombs.


That may be true, but how much of Israel could Iran leave desolate? Israel don't stand a chance if they bomb Iran.



posted on Nov, 29 2012 @ 09:07 PM
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I just want to make sure I'm not missing anything here. It seems that there are two responses to the OP:

1.) It's all propaganda from pro-Zionist puppets, and

2.) It's fine for Iran to have nuclear weapons, they're at least as stable, reliable, and peaceful, as the US, maybe more so.

I don't want to jump in before I understand the discussion, is that pretty much it?



posted on Nov, 29 2012 @ 09:13 PM
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Iran can do what they please. End of story.

What they do after it also is there choice whether its for the good or bad of Iran. We need to stop assuming they are this psychopathic country that wants to lay every country to waste. It isn't the truth. I agree with there stance and its nice to see someone standing up against the West.



posted on Nov, 29 2012 @ 09:33 PM
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The chart that was supposed to show Iran ready to create a bomb was a hoax. Scientist looked at the picture and said it does not show anything except mistakes. They said the level of knowledge in the graph would be first year of nuclear studies.

thinkprogress.org...

Also Germany seems to have a new group pushing hard for Germany to turn against a trading partner they have Iran. Germany was doing about 4 billion dollars a year in trade with them. But now they don't even want to protect the Iranian Embassy in Germany from a attack by a group of 30 or so attackers.

www.ionglobaltrends.com...
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posted on Nov, 29 2012 @ 09:40 PM
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Dear DarknStormy,

Ok, thanks. You've picked option #2, fine.

It seems a little silly for me to be commenting after you've declared "end of story," but if you have a blank page I may scribble in?

We need to stop assuming they are this psychopathic country that wants to lay every country to waste. It isn't the truth.
I agree completely that they do not want to lay every country to waste. Just one.

In fact, doesn't almost every Middle-East country want Israel gone? Certainly, there are different reasons for it, but the destruction of Israel seems to be a crowd favorite. We know that Iran sent Fajr-5 rockets to Hamas so they could be fired against Israel. There appears to have been no harm sufferred by Iran for that. Hamas has, as a principle that dying for Jihad is wonderful, and they have deliberately put their own citizens in jeopardy as human shields.

What would Hamas do if Iran said, "Hey, Hamas. Remember those Fajr-5s? They didn't do all that much did they? But what if we were to send you some Big Boom-2000s? Sure you might die in the retaliation strike, but so? You will be known through history as the destroyers of Israel. And each of you will get to pick from the special reserve batch of 72 virgins. Sound like a deal? Good."


What they do after it also is there choice whether its for the good or bad of Iran.
How about whether it's for the good or bad of people who are just shadow outlines on walls after the attack?

With respect,
Charles1952



posted on Nov, 29 2012 @ 09:53 PM
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Originally posted by charles1952
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Dear Charles152,

Well it depends who story you choose to believe. Iran have never said they want Israel removed, only the regime in Israel which is a big difference. I'm sure if Iran wanted to wipe Israel from the planet they would of already tried. I don't know what other countries stances are concerning Israel. But Iran are not threatening, killing Israelis and using Hamas to blame Iran is ridiculous. Do we blame the USA, Saudi Arabia and Europe for the killings of innocent civilians in Syria because they are weaponising the opposition?

This is not an isolated issue between Israel and Hamas, Hezbollah, who ever it may be. It is happening even amongst the very countries who condemn Iran and Hamas. I understand it is normal to back your allies in but we need to lose this double standard. If we are willing to blame people aligned with Iran, we must blame ourselves also for the atrocities which are being committed because our leaders allow jihadists in other countries to fluorish with our hard earned money and weapons systems.

Hamas must be held accountable for the shellings inside Israel, Israel need to be held accountable for the relentless bombing of innocents. We also must be held accountable for what is happening in Syria and other countries across the Middle East. Until we can set an example to the rest of the world (which will most likely never happen btw) Israel and the Middle East will always be in a constant fight. The Hypocrites in our governments could end this. It seems weapons are a good revenue raiser though and thats more important that human lives.

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posted on Nov, 29 2012 @ 09:54 PM
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Interesting stuff.


The chart that was supposed to show Iran ready to create a bomb was a hoax. Scientist looked at the picture and said it does not show anything except mistakes. They said the level of knowledge in the graph would be first year of nuclear studies.
The two scientists didn't say that it was a hoax, just that in their opinion, it could be. They also said first year of graduate studies. Further, this has nothing to do with the OP.


Also Germany seems to have a new group pushing hard for Germany to turn against a trading partner they have Iran. Germany was doing about 4 billion dollars a year in trade with them. But now they don't even want to protect the Iranian Embassy in Germany from a attack by a group of 30 or so attackers.
The only complaint mentioned is that the police didn't get there fast enough. Of course, the police never get anywhere fast enough. They got there in time to arrest the attackers, and there was no significant damage or injuries reported. That doesn't come close to supporting the idea that Germany is turning against Iran.



posted on Nov, 29 2012 @ 10:00 PM
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Originally posted by jhn7537
Who cares?? They should be allowed to if we're allowed to have one....


The problem with Iran developing a nuclear weapons program is multifaceted and a legitimate cause for global concern.

Clandestine military aid to support Hamas and Hezbolah aside ( I don't believe the Iranian Mullah's are that reckless ), it will trigger a nuclear arms race among the Persian Gulf states.

The U.S., Great Britain and Israel are not alone in their distrust of Iranian intentions. The Cooperation Council for the Arab States of the Gulf ( Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and United Arab Emirates ) have made it clear that if Iran develops a nuclear weapon, they will follow suit.

The recent history of India and Pakistan's evolution into nuclear states is a very good parallel. India developed the bomb so Pakistan did the same. They spent a very tense time in the late 90's, India tested a bomb so Pakistan blew off 5.

Fortunately, both countries have settled into a detente posture and agreed to stop the further testing.

The same scenario is nearly certain to repeat itself in the Middle East and their are no guarantees that it will stop before somebody actually uses one in aggression.

The other reality is that nuclear proliferation in the Middle East would make the possibility of a radical fundamentalist Islamic group gaining access to a weapon and detonating it in the middle of Trafalgar square a very real possibility.

Israel has also made it clear that they will not tolerate a nuclear armed Iran and will attack their nuclear facilities if Iran continues with its weapons program. Israel has done it twice before, successfully destroying Iraqi and Syrian nuclear facilities.

There is no reason to believe they wont do it again and that opens the door for all out war between Iran and Israel which the U.S. wont tolerate and can be guaranteed to intervene ( even with Obama as President ).

That is why the world cares.


Originally posted by jhn7537
I find it SOOO hypocritical that we judge others (USA) when WE'RE the ONLY nation to ever use a nuclear bomb on another...


And I find that overused strawman argument SOOO tiring and intellectually lazy.

You cant honestly make that statement without historical context.

WWII was a total war where all the belligerents involved used every means at their disposal to win. Was the conventional terror bombing of civilian populations any more humane? Is it somehow more morally proper to incinerate people with thermite and napalm than in a nuclear fireball?

How many times has the U.S. used a nuclear weapon in aggression since? It is no small feat of restraint that Moscow, Pyongyang, Beijing, Hanoi, Tehran or Baghdad aren't smoldering piles of radioactive debris.

How many total wars have been fought between major powers in the nearly 70 years since the U.S. dropped the bombs on Imperial Japan?

You will need to look over 500 years in the past before you will find a time where 70 years have passed without a total war being fought directly between major world powers.


Originally posted by jhn7537
As long as Iran plays nice, they should be allowed to do what they choose in their country. Countries should be allowed to build up their weapons to protect themselves from possible enemies.....


IMHO, your view of the geopolitical ramifications of a nuclear armed Iran is simplistic and naive.Modern nuclear arsenals are strictly offensive weapons by nature.

The world needs fewer, not more.
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posted on Nov, 29 2012 @ 10:05 PM
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Drunkenparrot
 

As much as you may be correct about a new nuclear race within the persian states, has it ever occured to you and everyone else that the race may have started when Israel started building nuclear weapons? If they are not a signature of the non-proliferation treaty, justify their actions in the name of Protection of their existence, Why can't Iran do the same even though they are following the guidelines much more than Israel are?
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posted on Nov, 29 2012 @ 10:30 PM
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Originally posted by DarknStormy
Drunkenparrot
 

As much as you may be correct about a new nuclear race within the persian states, has it ever occured to you and everyone else that the race may have started when Israel started building nuclear weapons? If they are not a signature of the non-proliferation treaty, justify their actions in the name of Protection of their existence, Why can't Iran do the same even though they are following the guidelines much more than Israel are?
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Are you familiar with the recent history of Israel?

I don't support the policy of the blind eye that is turned by the world towards Israeli's undeclared nuclear arsenal either but the situation under which Israel acquired the bomb is much different than the current situation with Iran.

Israel had been simultaneously attacked by her neighbors in full scale invasions with the aim of destroying the Israeli state 3 times in less than 25 years when they acquired the bomb.

In short the simple answer is the world trusts Israel more than they trust the Mullah's pulling the strings in Iran.



posted on Nov, 29 2012 @ 10:36 PM
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All of this propaganda is turning crazy. How about a video for entertainment. And then they will try and sell you some gold and other things so you can survive.



Part two is at there website.

www.futuremoneytrends.com...

They sucker you into the website pitch that way I guess.


So these people who are behind this video really look like they are expecting dooms day?
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