Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
Originally posted by TheHammer22
Originally posted by Jordan River
So is the gaza strip Palestine and israel...israel? i don't get it.
No, it is just blockaded by Israel in every way. Not at all belonging to them, and in fact Gaza is but a small piece of what used to be the home of
the native Arabs.
But, in order to visit Gaza, you must get Israeli papers due to the blockade.
Don't arabs have enough land? Like 95% of the entire middle east?
Palestine was only a territory, much like judea was before palestine.
Arabs are indeed very greedy. Don't get me wrong, I hate the influence jews have in the world economy and I even question the outcome of the
holocaust, but arabs are still greedy when it comes to land occupation. I can see why israel over-reacts sometimes.
If the palestinians had any brains they would only make a claim for jerusalem and leave the jews alone in regard to greater israel. Jerusalem should
be an independant nation imo. It would solve everything. Then give palestinians israeli citizenship for those that want it and everyone else can go
People who claim israel is stealing palestinian land are nuts. PALESTINE NEVER OFFICIALLY EXISTED AS A NATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Let me tear a few quick holes in your argument...
Saying that all Arabs are cookie cut copies,...is a major flaw right off the bat. See, like in almost every other religion, there are factions.
Sometimes in relation to territory, sometimes in relation to doctrine.
If you were say...a mormon, who lived in Arizona. Would it make sense to kick out all your kind from Arizona, just because your "people" had so much
land close by (Utah)???
And if Palestine has no right to declare itself a state, then neither does Israel, which was invented by the British if you dont remember. Just
because some violent tribe entered into an area and killed every living thing in sight, does not give them the everlasting rights to that land.
Especially when it was their own God that kicked them out, as set forth in their very own religious texts ( which also contain their fair share of
And even if you are desperate enough to cite the ancient KINGDOMS of Judea and Samaria....modern "israel" is not governed by a ruling family and so
has no claim to ancestral ownership of the land. The British Monarchy on the other hand, as an example, DOES have a legal ancestral claim to the
This is why the British Monarchy is only a democracy in disguise, the Queen allows a PM to form a Gvmnt on HER islands, and throughout HER
So, Israel cannot possibly use that lame excuse to lay claim to a land in which they were a MINORITY, until ethnic cleansing created the artificial
majority that they enjoy today.
And just to top the cake, and to help you understand that attempting to debate me as Israels proxy is not a good idea:
THE ZIONISTS COLLABORATED WITH HITLER!!
Fact. Here, let me prove it quick...........
Early in 1935, a passenger ship bound for Haifa in Palestine left the German port of Bremerhaven. Its stern bore the Hebrew letter for its name, "Tel
Aviv", while a swastika banner fluttered from the mast. And although the ship was Zionist owned, its captain was a National Socialist Party (Nazi)
member. Many years later a traveler aboard the ship recalled this symbolic combination as a "metaphysical absurdity". Absurd or not, this is but one
vignette from a little-known chapter of history: The wide ranging collaboration between Zionism and Hitler's Third Reich.
In early January 1941 a small but important Zionist organization submitted a formal proposal to German diplomats in Beirut for a military-political
alliance with wartime Germany. The offer was made by the radical underground "Fighters for the Freedom of Israel", better known as the Lehi or Stern
Gang. Its leader, Avraham Stern, had recently broken with the radical nationalist "National Military Organization" (Irgun Zvai Leumi - Etzel) over the
group's attitude toward Britain, which had effectively banned further Jewish settlement of Palestine. Stern regarded Britain as the main enemy of
(Original document in German Auswertiges Amt Archiv, Bestand 47-59, E224152 and E234155-58.
Complete original text published in: David Yisraeli, The Palestinian Problem in German Politics 1889-1945 (Israel: 1947) pp. 315-317).
Believe me, if you support Israel....now is a good time to swing aboard the other ship comrade. =)
edit on 30-11-2012 by TheHammer22 because: just because =p